Weird Hill To Die On But At Least You’re Dead
The short-lived Alvin Kamara drama from last week briefly re-surfaced the great Taysom Hill debate from the depths of Lake Pontchartrain. The Saints have a true YOLO approach to cap space and after giving Taysom his contract, it looked as if the money they spent on Hill might actually be one of the reasons they couldn’t afford to pay Kamara, who at the time of the drama appeared to be ready to hold out.
So on came the jokes! Can you imagine losing Alvin Kamara because you overpaid Taysom Hill? Some people are okay with that! There are players on every team that get absurd levels of blind support, but out of every horrible group of player stans, Taysom Hill stans might be the most deluded and annoying. Josh Allen stans are the other worst. At least Josh Allen makes a genuine impact in games.
Taysom Hill appears to exist entirely because Sean Payton likes to be clever and show off how clever he is. I enjoy when bold egomaniacs do bold egomaniac things because they result in horrific failures or amazing successes. Taysom Hill is a weird player with no set positional skill who can be a true wrinkle in an offense. He’s a threat to throw, to catch, to block…he’s a true luxury player on a stacked team. When used in a clever way, he’s hard to account for and can blow things up. He hasn’t really done it that much so far, but the potential is there! Plus, as time goes on, he can be molded to better fit one of the 16 positions he plays. This is the argument that Taysom Hill stans endorse. I was honestly okay with that and even understood it, until this recent free agency period when I learned one key fact about Taysom Hill. Taysom Hill is 30 years old.
Suddenly Taysom Hill is less of a player with amazing potential and more a laughable ruse. Weird athletic jack-of-all-trade players can work when they are really young. You find a fresh guy who isn’t a perfect mold but has so much talent that you can let him rip and see what happens, and as his career moves you can center his positions to what he’s best at as he reaches his prime. Taysom Hill is basically already in the back half of his prime. He’s your QB of the future? He’s completed less passes to Saints players than Jameis Winston, the current backup QB. Taysom Hill is never going to be the Saints franchise QB. Stop bragging how you got the guy “cheap for a QB” for two years. You didn’t get the future QB of the team on a cheap deal, you overpaid an old gimmick guy who isn’t good enough to actually start at any position. It’ll be two years of straight commitment to the bit for Hill to even develop enough to start. The Saints paid 17 million to old Tebow who doesn’t throw. Anyone with a brain can see how stupid that was. The Saints would legitimately be better off trying to make Jameis the guy after Brees leaves, Jameis still has far more potential, far more QB talent, far more experience, and is still 4 YEARS YOUNGER.
I enjoy watching Taysom Hill, but Taysom Hill is not the future. Taysom Hill is a fun gimmick.
Don’t die on Taysom Hill.
9/9/2020 EDIT: Still dealing with the stomach bullshit, but trying to get back to regular schedule, expect at least one more comic this week, probably tomorrow
Wait, are we talking about Josh Allen the QB or the defensive player,? Because even stans for the QB (I count myself one) aren’t calling him a top ten QB in the league. He’s better than most of what the Bills had in the last twenty years, but he still has yet to put everything together.
jack of all trades, still fucking sucks
is i think how that idiom goes
It goes
Jack of All trades, but master of none
Is still better than a master of one
And yeah, that applies to QBs. Do you have a cannon for an arm? Big deal, you throw high velocity interceptions. Are you a great runner? Cool, you’ll be a wildcat gimmick for three plays a game. Can you read a defense? Cool, but if you can’t deliver with any accuracy then it’s useless.
What makes the elite QB elite is that they are in the top tier on a lot of things.
Not saying Allen is, but he sure is better than Darnold or Mayfield
Considering that list is Tyrod Taylor and maybe the corpse of Drew Bledsoe, that’s not exactly high praise.
There was that stretch of Fitzmagic that one season too
You mean that one season where he just threw a bunch of times? He ended that season with a lot of yards, but nearly a 1-1 TD to INT ratio and a completion % of 62.
*sniff* It hurts that you did’t even mention Doug Flutie. Dude was amazing, but the Bills front office (and the rest of the league) just couldn’t handle that he was “too short.” =/ Flutie Flakes Forever!!!
30 for 30 bakery
I have a better name for Taysom Hill
Mormon Kordell Stewart
Slash Mormon
The Saints made an interesting attempt to sign Jadaveon Clowney. The offered an as of yet unrevealed team a 2nd round pick to sign Clowney and then trade him to the Saints. That way the original team paid his signing bonus, and the Saints were only on the hook for his salary. The NFL brass said nem.
is Sean Payton getting kickbacks from the Mormon church? Has anyone looked into this?
To be fair, Hill may be 30, but he spent four years on a mission. So his body doesn’t have the wear and tear of your typical 30 year old in the league. He’s closer to 26 in that sense. But yeah, it’s a head scratcher to sign him to big money. Especially since the news out of camp is that he’s stalled in QB development.
Also, Loomis is a cap alchemist who can turn lead into cap space, so I’m not entitled worried about keeping Kamara.
That might buy him a year or two, but it doesn’t mean he didn’t age while on mission. He’s not closer to 26, he’s 30. Regardless of whether he played or not you get slower as you age. It takes your body longer to heal from injury.
So he’s 30. He’s not going to start this season. At the earliest he’s “the guy of the future” in 2021-2022. He will be 31 by that point in time. You can’t really expect him to just step in and gel year 1 so it would likely be 2022-2023 before they are actually competing again in which time he will be 32. A four year window has him at 36 by the end of it.
Besides, if you give NFL defenses a reason to scheme against him I think he gets shut down. Right now it’s not worth it to scheme against a guy who plays maybe 3 snaps as the QB and maybe 15 total on offense. Defenses already have enough to worry about with Brees, Thomas, and Kamara.
During the earlier Taysom Hill nonsense I had a Saints fan tell me that he could be a “Lamar Jackson type QB”.
While every fanbase has their share of stans few have weirder takes than Saints stans. I had another one tell me that the Niners should cut Garoppolo and sign Sam Bradford.
As a Saints fan, I like Hill. I don’t think he’s worth what they signed him for. He’s an overpriced gadget player with limited exposure as a QB. Hate me if you will, but Kap showed more potential even when he had a limited size to go on (not talking about years in Kap).
I like Hill. Winston makes more sense as a future franchise QB. Mainly because the dude has already proven he can move the ball and put up numbers. With a more complete team around AND a running game, he could turn out well. Hill is not close to Lamar’s level. I’d argue he isn’t even close to Kordell Stewarts level. Dollar store brand Cam Newton? That might be generous. Tim Tebow level or slightly higher? I could see that. But when you pay one guy what he gets to be a part time offensive weapon and you have Kamara that needs a new deal…..what?
On the subject of Kamara, I don’t think he’s worth top dollar. He deserves a raise. But, he’ll ask to be top 5 AT LEAST. When he’s on, he’s worth it. But what I would like to see is more consistency and durability. I want to see him be a true game changing running back, not Marshall Faulk lite.
Yeah but you’re forgetting something.
The man’s a gamer.
He’s a baller.
He’s a real playmaker.
And a shot caller.
In case you didn’t know.
I got Taysom’d
He shattered the mold
And all he does is win
All – all- all he does is win games
Listen
I got Taysom’d
He shattered the mold
And all he does is win
All – all- all all he does is win games
(Unleash) That Mormon
(Let him go) It’s time
(Turn him loose) Let him play
(Let him play) On Sundays
(Unleash) That Mormon
(Let him go) It’s time
(Turn him loose) Let him play
(Let him play) I’m going to church on Sunday
Run block catch
I think that’s my game
I GUARANTEE YOU THAT!!!
I’m the next Drew Brees okay?
He’s re-writing the book
Week in and week out
He’s a unique football player that’s what Taysom Hill is all about
He’s a gamer, play maker, shot caller.
He’s a gamer, play maker, shot caller.
(Unleash) That Mormon
(Let him go) It’s time
(Turn him loose) Let him play
(Let him play) On Sundays
And all he does is win
All – all- all all he does
One more day
One more win
All – all- all all he does is win games.
Nice. I was gonna do a peter gabriel solisbury hill thing, but you rendered it redundant. – patsfan01110111elevenetcetc
“[Taysom Hill]’s completed less passes to Saints players than Jameis Winston, the current backup QB.”
I laughed uproariously at this bit.
Then I laughed even more when I bothered to check the stats… and it’s TRUE.
Taysom Hill career completions: 6
Jameis Winston career interceptions against the Saints: 10
Holy balls man
I like Taysom hill, the game is more fun when he’s in.
I firmly believe the people making the decision on what to pay him are far more qualified to make that choice than I am.
But yeah, I think he probably got overpaid, good for him
Worse than those are the Teddy Bridgewater stans and the Mariota stans. Teddy is okay, he was a promising player 5 years ago and has been less than that ever since, some people act like he’s capable of carrying a team to the playoffs when we’ve never seen that from him ever. Mariota stans mostly died off when Tannehill took over the team and actually looked competent, but there are some who sincerely believe he’s the future of the Raiders
Call me a stan or whatever, but Mariota had zero receiving weapons outside of an old Delanie Walker. They didn’t have a consistent running game til last year with Henry (and maybe the last 4 games of the 2018 season). Not saying he’s a pro bowler, but his best receiver wouldn’t crack the starting lineup of weapons that Jameis had.
Got to agree with you there. I think Mariota’s case is the coaching staff wanted him to adapt to their style rather than the coaching staff adapting to his abilities. Super Mario will not last in Vegas, I’m sure. But I’d like to think someone out there can make him better.
If I’m being honest, as a Saints fan, I wish they would’ve signed him, not extended Hill, and passed on signing Winston. Mustache Marc could fill the Taysom roll and still be a threat to throw. He has the tools to be like Lamar Jackson.
How you feeling dave? Any progress?
Reminds me of Tebow.
I still think that with the right coaching staff, Tebow could have been a decent QB in the league. I see Hill as a more versatile, more willing to play anywhere guy than Tebow.
At best Tebow was a slightly bigger Taysom Hill. He was a horrible passer, and while he could run, not as well as an elite RB. Maybe if he would have learned to catch a ball and block he would have had a place, but it would have been as a gadget player like Hill, not as a starting QB.
My idea of decent is backup at best. Solid backup though. His unwillingness to try other things though kinda killed any chance he had
Hmm… Sorry dave. I kinda feel attacked here. Running backs aren’t hard to get anymore. Just trade away your top reciever. You know what? Michael Thomas for Gio Bernard confirmed?
Mickey Loomis isn’t as dumb as Bill O’Brian
As a Saints fan, I like Taysom Hill as a player.
Is he the next franchise QB? Probably not. Is he the next Steve Young? Definitely Not!
Is he overpayed? Maybe, I can’t remember the Saints not being over the cap, yet they are always active on the first day of free agency spending big bucs on players the wont work out for them.
Is he overhyped? Yea, but that is nothing new. Sean Payton likes to hype his role players.
For me one of the main excitement points is his position/number. He could have tried to make it in the NFL as a RB. He would wear the #37 and no one would notice him when playing special teams or full back or 3rd TE. Occasionaly he would be their wildcat QB, because “remember that guy was a QB in college”.
It is just fun to see a player with #7 (who is not the punter) run out on punt coverage.
Will he be personal protector? Will it be a fake? No he is the gunner and he just flew down the sideline to tackle the returner.
He is a QB, he is not supposed to be out there, but there he is blocking punts and kicks. And now he is on the filed playing FB or TE putting his body on the line – while wearing the #7.
I just enjoy watching him
This is late and I know people probably aren’t going to read this, but it is funny reading this and thinking that the Saints almost told Kamara to fuck off and then he was the one catching all the touchdowns in the Bucs/Saints game while Mormon Tebow did fuck all on the sidelines. Totally not racism on the Saint’s fanbase’s part or anything.