The Tush Push Haters Are Babies – Guest comic by Tommaso
Out of the blue this week a long time reader (and previously featured guest comic maker) sent me this. I’m glad he did, because I was basically ready to rant about the Tush Push again anyway. This just saved me the time of making what was basically the same joke. Thank you, Tommaso.
The people who want to ban the Tush Push are giant baby sore losers.
I’ve thought about the Tush Push probably about as much as every other fan who has been forced to think about it over these past several years of popularity and that is simply the conclusion I keep coming to. The Tush Push is a valid, perfectly fine play, and the people who want to ban it are just haters and sore losers. I’m glad the proposal to ban it was recently shelved for the time being. 16 teams apparently wanted to vote against it. 16 teams are babies.
Look. It brings me no joy to defend the Eagles, but the uproar they’ve caused with this play is far more annoying than the play itself. The arguments against it range from “maybe there’s a kernel of a point there” to “what the fuck are you even on about”. Everyone who rallies against the play just comes across like a giant baby upset that a different baby got the toy they wanted so now all toys must be banned from daycare. I have no love for the Eagles. I want the Eagles to eat shit and die, and so far they’ve only done the first part. I would enjoy watching Eagles fans whine and scream and moan about how unfair and bullshit it is to ban the play, but the thing is…they’d be right! All the critics are charmin 2-ply soft.
The fact is, the Eagles are a smart football team that built an extremely disciplined and effective offensive line and general run-based offense, and drafted/developed a running, powerfull assed Quarterback. They found a play that they could run that can pretty much 90% guarantee them a first down in tight short-yardage situations, and they run it. And it works. Almost every time. This is not a flaw. This is not a problem. This is not unfair. They just…fucking did what smart teams do? Smart teams find out what they are built for and operate it. Smart teams run plays that they know work! Smart teams build around their players skillsets! Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels didn’t build the Patriots offense around Tom Brady being a runner. They built around what Tom Brady was good at and liked doing. The Eagles did what every team is hypothetically (not the Jets) are trying to do! Every year! This isn’t cheating or playing unfairly! It’s not unfair that the Eagles are good at it and nobody else is quite as good at it! That’s not unfair, that’s just the Eagles being fucking good at it! They built for it! They practice it! Shut the fuck up!
What are the arguments against it?
“Player Safety”. Okay. Sure. We’ve had the Eagles running this play for multiple years now, usually multiple times a game. That’s enough of a sample size to see if there is an increased injury rate on this play, for both the Eagles and opposing players. So is there any evidence? I can’t find any! There doesn’t seem to be! Oh, but Chris Jones got a neck stinger last year after lining up sideways in a weird attempt to stop it? STOP THE PRESSES IT’S UNSAFE. Football is an inherently dangerous sport. There are a lot of legal plays, like QB sneaks or most runs up the gut, which result in large piles of bodies. Nobody is calling for runs up the A gap to get banned. Nobody ever calls QB sneaks unfair. It seems like a perfectly normal risk to me, that is to say: it’s football, and there’s always risk. Most of us fucking hate the roughing the passer rules but a defenseless QB taking a shot seems more dangerous than this! We’ve seen the results of hitting defenseless receivers over the middle, there is evidence of how dangerous that is. Outlawing that for safety makes sense. We have no substantial evidence that the Tush Push is inherently more risky at this point in time.
“It’s Unfair” I kinda already tore this a new asshole but no it fucking isn’t. The Eagles being the only team that is so effective at it is not unfair. Every single team in the NFL, if they wanted, could build their team and execute the same play. Every other team can use the tush push. Many other teams do use the tush push. It just has about a normal hit rate for those teams. The Eagles being so good at it is not unfair. They are just built best for it, practice it, and execute it better than most. Skill issue. Git Gud. The Eagles are legally OP they do not need a nerf because you are a baby. The real problem is that nobody has figured out a good counter to it yet. Part of that is the Eagles overwhelming talent on the line compared to most teams, but part of that I think, is just defensive coordinators not putting in the work to figure it out. The play does get stopped. Stud defenders have stood them up. The Tush Push is basically just a QB sneak. Nobody wants to ban QB sneaks. If they banned the Tush Push, the Eagles would probably still convert normal QB sneaks at a very similar rate. It’s a high-percentage play, especially if you have the personnel for it, which they do. You want to stop the Eagles from using it? The Tush Push has one obvious weakness: being 3+ yards away from the line, so stop letting them get there. Occasionally, the Eagles will run the play twice in a row from shorter range, one to set up the next to be close enough, but this really just isn’t any different than running things up the gut to set up 3rd and short or whatever. The Eagles are a smart team that utilizes 4th downs. That’s not being unfair. That’s the Eagles being aggressive and smart. Your team being stupid or bad doesn’t make this unfair.
“It’s Ugly” or “It’s not fun to watch” – This one makes me want to throw everyone who says it in a woodchipper. Grow the fuck up. *lights pipe* “Dear me Charles, this dreadful Tush Push is just so uncouth, I cannot.” Wanting a play banned because you are not personally wowed by the entertainment value is…stupid. The NFL might be an entertainment product, but it is still a sport, and these guys are supposed to be trying to win. Fuck the aesthetics. Winning ugly is a win. Also? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’m sure Eagles fans cream themselves and push their own tushes on every successful one, the perverts. Lots of football plays are ugly. Basically every single run up the gut for short yardage is a distorted pile of bodies where you can barely tell what is happening. QB sneaks, again. Same thing. So what. Saying you want this to go away because it isn’t fun to watch is just admitting you like shiny objects dangled in front of you. Go watch Wrestling or the circus if all you want from your sport is to be aesthetically pleasing and focused on pure entertainment. The men on the field? They have a job to do. I find most dumpoffs to be boring. Checkdowns are frequently shitty. Runs up the middle to get stuffed…so fun. I do not particularly find the Tush Push a pleasant feast for the eyeballs either, but who gives a shit. I don’t want it banned for that. Nonsense. Grow up. We get like 3 Tush Pushes a game. That’s barely any of our time wasted by “ugly gimmick predictable football”.
The last one, and the one that might have a kernel of a point, is this: Why does the offense get to push but the defense cant? Seems unfair! But actually unfair this time! Why can’t defenses push dudes? Seems to me like if both sides could scrum maybe things would even out a bit and the Eagles wouldn’t be able to rely on it so much. So the answer might not be banning the tush push, but allowing defensive pushing! Well…um, and I only recently learned this, but…this is already allowed. Defenders can already do that. This is not a real critique. As the redditor in that linked post points out, most teams are not likely to do it because sending too many defenders into the middle to stop it leaves them open to a fake. It also highlights something that a different redditor pointed out a month ago: teams do not seem to actually understand how the Tush Push works. It is a QB sneak, but it is designed a certain way to create leverage and almost always sends Hurts over the left side. Maybe that’s how to defend it. Commit to a side and throw/push all your defenders there and angle them correctly. The Eagles still have the advantage because they are built for it, but hey, worth a shot. Better than lining Chris Jones up sideways like a dummy. All teams need to do is find a way to stop the play just often enough that the Eagles no longer consider the play reliable enough to spam it. Defenders are not able to push or use leverage on kicking plays, which is an entirely separate discussion. It is not connected to the Tush Push and needs to stop being lumped together.
Basically every opponent to the tush push comes across like a sore loser being insufferable about nonsense. I wish the Eagles nothing but misery and stand to gain nothing but positives from this play being banned but it would just be out of pettiness. Banning a play because one specific team figured out how to make it really work for them is pathetic soft baby shit. Everyone who wants it banned should just frankly admit the truth: they are bitter and jealous. Just embrace being a hater and stop trying to make these soft sore loser arguments.
Fuck all you losers who made me defend the Eagles. Fuck the Eagles. Amen. Thanks for the guest comic, Tommaso.
Your points about the Tush Push remind me of how the Neutral Zone Trap was hated in the early 2000s. And how the New Jersey Devils won 3 Stanley Cups with it. Shoutout to Pinholes Graham for making a great video where a lot of the information I will use comes from (https://youtu.be/QB_exSEZVpo?si=md7_PzH9_xapNJiS)
For those that do not know, ice hockey rinks are divided into 3 zones: the defensive zone (where your net is), the offensive zone (where the net you want to score on is), and the neutral zone (the space between the zones, represented by a blue line on either side and bisected by the red line at center ice). The neutral zone trap is a defensive strategy where one forward forechecks the puck carrier, and the other 4 players stack up on either the red line or the blue line.
This strategy was effective, because even after the forward pass was legalized (see, NHL and NFL, you guys aren’t so different), you could not pass the puck forward across 2 lines. Basically, you couldn’t pass from your defensive zone past center ice, or from your side of the neutral onto the offensive zone. And if you tried to dump the puck in? That’s where the Devils had a secret weapon: Martin Brodeur, a goalie who could not only shut down the top scorers in the NHL, but also go into the corner and play the puck like a defenseman. Dude was basically their game breaking equivalent of Jalen Hurts with the Tush Push.
Now, here come the criticisms of the neutral zone trap. They’re gonna sound really familiar.
“Player Safety”. Now, let’s make this clear. The neutral zone trap wasn’t unsafe. What made it potentially unsafe was that defenders using it would check or interfere with opposing players in the tight space of the neutral zone as they went for the puck. Basically, stuff that would be called interference today, was fair game back then. So, the NHL encouraged refs to crack down on interference calls and make the game safer. The problem wasn’t the neutral zone trap, it was interference.
“It’s Unfair”. The Devils weren’t the first team using the neutral zone trap. Far from it actually. They just had a strong defensive team and an excellent goaltender in Brodeur that were seemingly born to play in this system. By the late 90’s nearly everyone was using it, but none more effective than the Devils. Again, the neutral zone trap wasn’t unfair, but Brodeur playing the puck sort of was. For one specific reason: players aren’t supposed to hit goalies. Which made Brodeur playing the puck completely overpowered. Way more than the Tush Push. So in 2005, the NHL made the trapezoid rule which kept goalies playing the puck in the little trapezoid behind their net. Like with player safety, the problem wasn’t the strategy, but something else.
“It’s not fun to watch”. The neutral zone trap effectively cut down on scoring. And if nearly everyone was using it, a lot of teams weren’t scoring. And fans HATED it. But did the NHL ban the neutral zone trap? Nope. The same year as the Trapezoid Rule was enacted, the NHL legalized the Two Line Pass to allow for stretch passes that could get past the 4 defensive players on the line. And if that puck went into the corner, it was a race between two skaters to get it, without the goalie’s involvement.
The neutral zone trap is still a commonly used defensive tactic today, the NHL just had to adapt for it to not be overpowered. First, everyone implemented it; then rule changes promoted player safety without banning the strategy; and then coaches and players got smarter with these new rules to find ways to beat it. Hope everyone enjoyed this read!
This is a really interesting post, thank you, I didn’t know any of this but the comparison is apt
Thanks for the appreciative feedback, it means a lot
From my understanding this seems way worse as it’s an entire system of play. The Tush Push (and other QB sneak variants) are really only valuable in &1 situations. Sure, I’ve seen the Eagles gain 2 or 3 yards, but there’s diminishing returns. Really cool to learn how this shaped modern hockey!
Thanks for the info, friend!
Thanks for your appreciative feedback
I did enjoy the read, thank you Sabres.
I’ve seen the arguments for banning it. The most plausible arguments for its ban are a stretch, the least plausible are barely disguised hurt feelings and jealousy.
I went to a few Devils games as a kid in this era, but I’m not really a hockey fan. So I had no idea what was going on, but it felt like play was stopped frequently because of situations like this. Thanks for the insight.
I’s also worth noting that the trap worked so well because the refs refused to call holding and hooking penalties. So skill players trying to move the puck forward or dump it in and chase after it was hampered by every NJ players grabbing their jersey and slowing them down. Post-lockout in 2005 there was a concerted effort to start calling those penalties and that (along with removing the dumb two line pass rule) opened up the game considerably.
Also the Tush Push has been a bit less effective last season, almost like they don’t have Jason Kelce, aka their freakishly strong first ballot HOFer to help juggernaut Hurts through a giant gap.
The tush push lives and dies because of its stupid name. This is my hill and I’ll die on it. If it were called anything else, nobody would give a single fuck. The play is valid. It’s literally just a QB sneak with a shove on the ass. It’s a dead horse meme being turned into glue by grown men who just want an excuse to say tush push as many times as humanly possible.
Huh, I never thought about it that way. I definitely don’t have the same visceral reaction to QB sneaks that I do to the Tush Push. I’d also be willing to bet if it was any other team doing it (like maybe the Bills or the Cardinals) it wouldn’t be as bad either. But the second it’s the goddamn Eagles getting one over on everybody, I’ll admit that sours my grapes more than it should.
(Meant to post my comment as a separate comment. I’m half awake and didn’t realize I’d somehow clicked “reply”. Apologies)
All good
TUSH PUSH NOT BRUTHERLY SHOVE
Here is what I think is an important point: if there’s a team who is close to the Eagles when it comes to the Brotherly Shove it’s Josh Allen and the Bills doing the Schnowplow. It’s a huge part of their “and short” arsenal
And in the AFC Championship, the Chiefs shut it down pretty effectively (even if I go to my grave insisting they got the one that mattered). It CAN be done. Most teams just aren’t equipped to
Something the announcers on that game pointed out – the Bills pretty much run that play exactly the same every single time. Same direction, same snap, etc. So the Chiefs adjusted.
The Eagles run it a lot of the time in a similar way… but they *also* practice multiple variations. Including delays, going to a different side (or using a different angle), *faking* out of it to a run or a quick pass, etc. So it’s harder to simply stack a single side. And even then, it’s become less effective as (some) defenses adjust in other ways.
I’ve always been against pushing offensive players. Like when a RB gets stopped but someone from the OL just barrels forward into the guy and pushes him forward.
SEXY REXY!
I’m honestly a little shocked the league hasn’t adapted to this yet. We see all the time how quickly defenses can adapt to changing schemes and trends, but for some reason a heavy QB sneak stumps everyone? I think that type of play (QB sneak or any modification) may just be inherently unfair when executed well.
I wonder if it has more to do with timing; the fact that the offense knows when their going to snap the ball and can anticipate the cadence rather than react to it. The defense essentially has to risk a false start or an encroachment to be on even footing, but when you’re talking about the strongest guys on the field, even half a second more to build momentum may be too much.
Basically, up until 2012, defensive players were doing their own “tush push” on field block units; basically getting their team’s tallest guy and getting lineman to push him through the offensive line to block the kick. And it worked!
Then, for the 2013 season, the defensive “tush push” was banned and became a 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty.
I always wondered why Defenses were not doing their own “tush push;” it’s because they ARE NOT ALLOWED TO!
They are allowed to shove each other at the line. It happens. The outlawing for defenses is on kicking plays explicitly. It was banned for safety reasons because long snappers were defenseless. The Tush Push is not a kick. Defenders can shove each other on the Tush Push. As I mentioned in the post, they are allowed to do this, but many dont because it commits too many guys into the middle and makes them vulnerable to fakes.
the legality of pushing people on kicks is NOT a Tush Push argument, it is a separate scenario, a separate discusson, and needs to stop being lumped in with Tush Push arguments.
It’s a rugby play not a football play. Unless you’re a zoomer assisting the runner was illegal during your lifetime, as it should be.
Assisting and pushing players has always been legal to some extent, you see offensive lineman pushing guys forward if they wont go down on the tackle all the time. It’s pulling them that’s explicitly illegal
How dare the sport that evolved from rugby and has always shared DNA with rugby have a rugby inspired play in it
sour ass grapes
I’m late to this but “it’s not a football play” is the funniest example of crying about it. What is more football than fighting over every yard? How is it less of a football play than say victory formation (which is basically an offence refusing to play football) or intentionally under thrown deep passes that exist purely to draw PI on a defender and exploit a penalty?
All that “it’s not football” really means is “it’s not the way I like football to be played” and if we start banning individual plays by that logic it’s a slippery slope. I forget which coach it was that said it (Callahan maybe?) but if they’re banning the Tush Push because the Eagles are too good at it then might as well ban Lamar from running too, he’s too good and not every team can do it.
First off, I hope that the Eagles absolutely curb-stomp the Packers for pulling off such a soft move.
But second, claiming it’s for player safety is just such BS when the owners want to add an 18th game, something that will cause significantly more injuries than the Tush Push will
(somewhat related) NFL History Fun Fact: When Bart Starr scored the winning touchdown in the Ice Bowl, the running back (#30) Chuck Mercein isn’t signaling “touchdown” when he had his arms up, he is signaling “I didn’t push Bart Starr into the endzone,” because the Tush Push used to be illegal back then.
In other words, the Packers want to go back to the 60s, when the Merger didn’t happen yet and they could get home-field advantage throughout the playoffs just because they played in the Central division.
My God, a Sexy Rexy sighting! I thought they were extinct!
In the immortal words of every souls-bourne player: “git gud”
I was actually on the side of not banning the “tush push” until I saw this clip…
Basically, up until 2012, defensive players were doing their own “tush push” on field block units; basically getting their team’s tallest guy and getting lineman to push him through the offensive line to block the kick. And it worked!
Then, for the 2013 season, the defensive “tush push” was banned and became a 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty.
I always wondered why Defenses were not doing their own “tush push;” it’s because they ARE NOT ALLOWED TO!
So now I’m on the side of banning the offensive “tush push” as well or lifting the ban on the defensive “tush push;” but you cannot leave it as is.
That would be like telling a defense to stop a run with a team of 11 Cornerbacks only; it might be done, but heavily favors the offense….
Or, the reason why the Tush Push has been so successful is that the offense is allowed to bring a gun to a knife fight…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tSKVvdSYPY
I’ll repeat my comment here as above
The outlawing for defenses is specifically on kicking plays, because longsnappers are defenseless. It is not illegal on sneaks or normal line play. These are two separate discussions, and it needs to stop being used as an argument against the Tush Push
#1 argument for banning the tush push: because doing the exact same thing on defense is banned.
You used to be able to shove defenders through the line of scrimmage on kick block. It was banned for player safety.
Either shoving a player through the line of scrimmage is a player safety issue, or it’s not, for both sides of the line of scrimmage. Ban the tush push, or unban the defensive push.
Might as well ban the 5 yard checkdown because Tom Brady used it for years and it was “unstoppable”.
Not even just checkdowns – Brady famously was near unstoppable on QB sneaks. He has a higher success rate than Hurts does with the Tush Push.
I’m just upset that no one says they’ve been ass blasted when the tush push fails.