The Passing Of The Torch
I didn’t touch on Eli’s benching for Daniel Jones last week because there was just so much shit last week and I didn’t want to make everything about the Giants since I’m biased enough already. I wanted to wait till Eli presumably retires or moves on at season’s end to say my piece on that. But this week was kind of quiet comparatively speaking, and Jones went out and had himself a game against the Bucs, so fine. Let’s talk our lord and Savior Danny Dimes, greatest quarterback to ever live.
Benching Eli for Jones was the right move. As much as I will always love Eli, it was the right move. Not waiting until the Giants were knocked out of the playoffs (which is what I expected the Giants to do), but starting him now. It was very clear within the first two games that nothing had changed. Eli is done. He’s broken. He’s not the guy he used to be, and his skills are actively hurting the offense. We could blame the lack of WRs or the problematic defense all we wanted, and many Giants fans did. The reality is Eli is bad, and he was holding us back. Watching him waste away under center, losing more and more respect, becoming more and more of a punchline, not accomplishing anything…it would just be a waste of time. The Giants are in full rebuild. The defense was gutted to make cap space and room for youth. This team is going nowhere and will win nothing of value. Why not put Jones in, and give him time to learn and get comfortable with the team and make dumb rookie mistakes while there are no real expectations on his shoulders? That way, when we go into next season with some more high draft picks and a ton of cap room to spend on free agents, things will be more in sync? Makes sense to me. I love Eli to death but his time was over.
I actually believe that the biggest mistake this franchise has made in the past 5 years was McAdoo benching Eli. I think almost everything that has happened to the Giants since that moment has been a result of that mistake. Benching Eli was probably the right move at the time, but McAdoo handled it very poorly, benched him for Geno Smith (who was not the future of the franchise) instead of the rookie Davis Webb, and insulted Eli in the process by suggesting that he start every game then sit at halftime to keep “the streak” going. Eli rightfully refused that on the grounds it would cheapen the record, which is correct. Would anyone respect the record if he did that?
The blowback to the decision was immediate and fierce and Mara, who supposedly gave the green-light on the move and may have even been the origin of the plan, learned the wrong lesson from the mistake. I still don’t know why Mara waited till the week was over and Geno Smith started the game to actually fire McAdoo and Reese. It was like he was waiting, hoping against hope that McAdoo was right and Geno was the answer. When that proved not to be the case, he threw the HC and GM under the bus even though he was probably a reason it happened in the first place. The blowback started on Tuesday the week before. Why didn’t he just step in and reverse the decision then? Was he afraid of looking like the control-freak meddling owner so he figured waiting till it failed and ruined Eli’s streak anyway to make his move? It hurt his reputation anyway.
Since that week, the Giants and Mara severely oversteered to protect Eli’s place on the team instead of realizing that moving on was the right move, just…not the way they did it the first time. Instead of immediately going into the rebuild (which I think Gettleman and Shurmur might have preferred), they drafted the stud RB Barkley, paid OBJ, and proclaimed they were in “win now” mode. It obviously failed. Looking back, I think Gettleman and Shurmur knew it early on. After a few bad losses in 2018, Gettleman sold Snacks to the Lions and started shifting players around for the future. This offseason he went whole-hog. He got picks and youth for OBJ (still a very questionable choice that I am unhappy about), let flawed but talented defenders go (Collins) or traded them (Vernon). He also grabbed the QB of the future, who…uh…is basically just another Eli.
I honestly wonder if Shurmur and Gettleman both knew it was time to move on from Eli but was told to work around him because after the benching Eli was deemed “too sacred”. Jones is a better fit for Shurmur. The offensive system works better with a QB who can move, which Jones can.
Eli, professional as always, unlike some QBs (cough cough Roethlisberger) handled the decision with class. He cheered Jones on and seems more or less okay with what was happening. I’m sure it hurts. We probably haven’t seen the last of him quite yet. There is certainly more than ample chance he shows up and possibly even starts another game this year, and while his time with the Giants is probably over, he might pull a Peyton and try to get a gig somewhere else. I hope he doesn’t. He deserves to retire our hero. I’ll save my thoughts on Eli’s career and legacy for when that happens.
In the meantime, watching Jones was the first time in several seasons it felt fun to watch the Giants offense play football. I doubt they will be good and Jones isn’t going to lead 18 point comebacks every week, but at least it’s something worth seeing again.
Wait, I forgot Barkley died.
Nevermind fuck me
Gotta love Eli’s fist bump with Daniel Jones.
Here’s hoping Barkley recovers but you know there always have been a concern since there’s seem to be issues with Penn State running backs that were drafted. Barkley should take his time.
I’m gonna try to be the glass-half-full guy here. Barkley missing a few games could be a really good thing for Eli Danning longterm.
1) It takes away the temptation to “protect the rookie” by handing off to SaQuads all day (admittedly after Sunday, there may not be the temptation to do that, but now it’s entirely removed)
2) Based on the “performance” of the D, this is presumably a lost season (unless Jackrabbit and company stops being Jackasses, see 2007 Season). Under that umbrella, missed games = less needless wear and tear for SaQuads.
3) While Daniel-san seems ok with pressure, even more of it’s gone, and he can just ball out, get his bumps and bruises NOW, and then hopefully next year – if all goes well – he’s a non-fumbling PROTECT-THE-@#($@-BALL mastermind with a nice infusion of FA talent.
4) I like Gallman, and I think he’ll do reasonably well, which is the best you can hope for given the quality of talent that just left the field.
On the topic of OBJ… still don’t miss him, still glad he’s gone, and while it’s still way too early to count chickens… UP TO THIS POINT, I’m thinking we’re ahead on both deals we made with the Browns. OBJ isn’t turning into instant wins (but he still brings so much me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me drama, his name should be changed to Beaker), Vernon has 0 sacks and 1 QB hit, and while I would not qualify our OL as GREAT, they are better than last year, and Zeitler is performing better for us than I think Vernon is for the Browns. So, yay?
Agreed on the Vernon/Zeitler trade. I think we won that. This defense isn’t much better with Vernon in there and our O-line is now sufficiently mediocre instead of garbage.
OBJ is still to be determined. Peppers hasn’t been special and I still dont think we got enough for him. The Browns are using him wrong so far, trying to make him go deep when they dont have the o-line to last that long and he was always better on quick slants to begin with. The dude was magic when he got 10 yard slants and he already burned the Jets for an 80 yarder, Freddie just isn’t getting it on most plays and Baker is panicking.
I’ll agree with you on OBJ being TBD from the on-the-field angle. I think he burned the bridge enough with the Giants that they just wanted him gone for whatever they could get that made any sense. In hindsight, it is certainly worth questioning if they NEEDED to trade him knowing they were going to bring in a new QB who might make the guy happy, since he was all out of love for Eli.
Given what he brings off-the-field, I still think we’re much better off. I like the guys we have. Evan Engram doesn’t need to be an afterthought anymore, and the offense is at least pointing towards a brighter future.
On-the-field, yea, I can’t deny the production he brings when used correctly. Will Blackmon did a breakdown last week, and if he catches it between the hash and the numbers, he’s gone just about every time. It’s pretty crazy:
https://twitter.com/WillBlackmon/status/1173984707777835008
“We could blame the lack of WRs or the problematic defense all we wanted, and many Giants fans did. The reality is Eli is bad, and he was holding us back.”
It’s certainly possible for all those things to be true.
All of those things were true, and yet Dan still looked better with the depleted weapons than Eli did. People (myself included) have given Eli too many excuses these past few years when in reality he used to be good enough to make stars out of nobodies instead of stars like OBJ propping him up with insane catches on bad throws.
To be fair, he was facing the Bucs. Let’s wait until he plays a non-Florida team before drawing conclusions
Well they’re playing Washington this week so that’s not gonna be a real test of how good Jones is either. With beating New England being a completely unreasonable expectation no matter how good Jones really is it looks like it’s just Minnesota in their upcoming schedule that could be considered a real test?
Also he’s a rookie, the best one can hope is that he has a decent enough year in the end and develop from there.
Hi, it’s my first comment here.
After seeing your cartoon, I recognize that I have more sympathy for Eli and the Giants.
Love it. End of an amazing era and hopefully the start of another just as amazing.
As Long as they don’t stop our run to 19-0
Lol you mean the Bills run to 19-0?
This might be the most wholesome comic posted here. Actually a lot of the Eli ones are. Geez I’m gonna miss the old guard at QBs, except Brady fuck that guy. But he doesn’t count since he sold his soul to the Dark One for immortality and infinite championships.
As a Dallas fan I never cared for the Giants. I always enjoyed poking fun at Eli’s “duh” look and I can’t not look at rocket pops without thinking of him ever again but this strip right here got me. I guess I appreciated him more than I thought as a human than a player. And who doesn’t love a good passing the torch.
If it’s ever revealed that 4th quarter Eli is actually a different person, then 4th quarter Eli will be a first ballad HoFmer
Dunno why, but I’m hoping Daniel Jones works out.
HOWEVER, can we PLEASE make it legal to kill anyone who uses the nickname “Danny Dimes”? Like by beating them with a rake or something?
Actually Danny Dimes rules
What the heck does it even mean?
Not sure how it got started, but somehow a “dime” is an accurate pass.
I mostly know it from “Dilfer’s Dimes”, a segment on SportsCenter that got so strident and unfunny that Trent Dilfer was taken out back at ESPN and beaten with a rake. He hasn’t been seen from since.
HOWEVER, since I don’t want to kill Dave, I think a different plan is in order: I’m gonna have some beers during TNF and see if I can think of a better nickname that will supplant Danny Dimes.
So far I got nuttin… can any starting place for a nickname be more generic than “Daniel Jones”????
The best one I’ve come up with is “Mr. Jones and me”. Now, before you look at me like I’m crazy, let’s just see how a theoretical discussion could go upon him bringing his 13th Lombardi in a row to New York, 13 years from now:
Friend: So what did you guys do for the Super Bowl last night?
Me: Well, Mr. Jones and me threw for 18 touchdowns in our 126-0 destruction of Tom Brady.
Friend: I don’t know why they even let him use a wheelchair on the field. It should be illegal.
Me: Tom Brady owns the refs’ souls. Literally. So that’s why Mr. Jones and me decided at the end of the 3rd quarter to dump him out of the chair and beat him over the head with it. We got a 65 yard penalty on the play, but Mr. Jones and me think it was worth it.
Friend: That explains the blood pouring from his head and why he just sat there and took all those sacks. Still, that was a risky maneuver.
Me: Somewhat, but now Mr. Jones and me will be riding down the Canyon of Heroes for the 13th time in a row. Has there ever been a better quarterback to play in this league than Mr. Jones and me?
DJ Dimes
Also I just realized that there could have been a kissing Suzy Colbert joke thrown in about Dam Sarnold.
GOAT