The Many Different Results Of Trash Talk
Trash talk is one of those sports staples. It’s not even explicitly a sports phenomenon, but the term is most commonly associated there. As long as a spots team exists, and someone is a fan of them, trash talk will occur. It is as natural as farting. We’ve all done it. Some partake more than others. Some are very good at it, some are hopelessly bad at it. Everyone can appreciate a good zing, even at their own expense.
I’ve never been the biggest partaker of trash talk, personally. I do it among my friends, of course. I think its different when you are just ribbing friends. But I never go up to or trash talk random people. It might be my pessimistic nature (I trash the Giants far more than I do any other team) but I just don’t really do it outside my buddies. I think for most people in real life it’s probably similar. Online tends to be a different story. The ability to throw trash talk around anonymously means we have a lot more of it. I’ll throw zingers at other teams occasionally on twitter (usually after a team does a stupid thing).
I think the biggest issue is that there are a lot of people who are just bad at trash talk. Good trash talk is clever, and used at opportune moments, with a wink and a smile. What makes it worse is that these people tend to be the biggest trash talkers. They are the people who will pass you on the street and tell you your team sucks when you happen to be wearing a team hat. These are the people who will slide into your twitter notifications and tell you how trash they think your team is on a tweet that was you already bashing your own team (this happens to me a lot).
Bad trash talk is frequent, not clever, typically directed at someone you don’t know, and honestly more closely resembles harassment than anything. Last year, sometime around week 3sih, I made a tweet calling the Giants defense good (Something that was objectively true last season). An Eagles fan (This is not me picking on the Eagles again, it just happened to be one, I get lots of good Eagles trash talk every weekend, Eagles fans have a knack for it) dropped into my comments to call me wrong and stupid and the Giants defense actually terrible. Not in a witty way. Not clever. About as plain as the sentence I used to describe it. I gave him a decent back and forth for the rest of the game, hoping it would turn into a real team discussion (like most of these back and forths tend to do), but it became clear pretty fast the guy didn’t really have anything clever to say, he just wanted to call the Giants bad and me stupid. His trash talk game was weak. He was the 2017 Bengals of trash talk.
He kept this up for weeks. If I tweeted and he was online, even if my tweet was about something inane like bananas, he’s come in and go “Yeah even bananas aren’t as bad as the Giants” only even less clever somehow. He kept trying to zing back to the “Giants defense is good” comment, even deep into the season when it was clear the Giants defense wasn’t a fluke and was legit good, which means he had nothing to actually work with, especially as the Eagles season faded. By the last few games of the year, I straight up muted him. To this day he is the only person I’ve muted on twitter. I hadn’t even thought of him since until I started writing this post. I didn’t mute him due to the frequency of his replies, it was because his replies and his trash talk were so bad that I just decided I didn’t want to look at it anymore. If you want to trash talk random strangers on the internet, bring at least your B game, and don’t be relentless about it, leave your bit and move on. If you don’t get a reaction, then it’s time to find a new target, or try an open a genuine sports talk session.
I didn’t really mean to ramble on about one dude I encountered on twitter once but I do always write these things late at night when I’m half asleep so there you go. Bandwagon/fairweather fans are the absolute worst fans because they trash talk a lot with no knowledge or cleverness behind it and they vanish or play hurt when you zing them back. Bandwagoners…The Worst? Discuss.
Try being a Cleveland Browns fan. Yes, the team is crap, and probably will be for the forseeable future. My point is, nobody that calls them crap actually has any idea why, or what about them is bad. It’s the same recycled bullshit from literally everyone.
The do something competent: “LOL BUT IT’S THE BROWNS”
They draft the best player “LOL HIS CAREER IS OVER ALREADY”
You wear a Browns jersey to the bar to watch the game: “LOL YOU’RE SO BRAVE FOR WEARING THAT”
Discuss their quarterback situation with anyone: “LOL JOHNNY MANZIEL RG3 LOL”
It’s like they’re reading from a telemarketing script.
Browns fans get it the worst. Mostly because they have nothing to brag about except decades old championships. At least they can revel in the fact LeBron came home, only to probably leave again.
Hey now, we also have an emotionless cyborg as our ace, and the longest tie-less win streak.
Except they’re not the same Browns from back then which makes it even worse. Basically what they got is imposters replacing the ones sold to Baltimore. I probably would have felt somewhat bad for them if it weren’t for what they did to Tim Couch.
Basically, they should continue to suffer.
*evil laugh*
That makes it so much more fun. Making the all they did was stop calling themselves the Browns and they win is the best joke ever.
The league actually handled the Browns franchise very well when Modell moved. Retaining the colors, name and history in Cleveland was smart. I don’t understand why you would call them imposters.
What do you think took the identity of the Browns?
Only because Modell actually broke his lease and would have gotten his clock cleaned in a lawsuit.
You forgot one Zane
Ravens fans: thanks for a real team, now enjoy your peewee shit
I’ve tried saying that the Browns are going to be good this season, because of all the offseason moves and the draft picks they got, but everyone denied me. The Browns could draft Deshaun Watson, John Ross, Leonard Fournette, and Myles Garrett, and everyone would still call them bad. I like rooting for them, because when the day comes, and they show everyone just how great they are, I could shove it in everyone’s faces.
Aren’t the Browns favored in Indianapolis this week?
Yup. First time in two years they’re favored. First time they’re favored on the road in five, I think.
I think it’s bad from to talk trash about a perennial basement dweller. We know they’re bad. The fans know they’re bad. Leave them alone. If you must talk trash, talk trash against teams that have mouthy fans that are overly proud of their somewhat competitive team.
At some point with Browns and Lions (before and during the Millen years) you just sign and go “So who do you cheer for when their season is over?”
*sigh not sign
I just assumed you were conversing with a deaf person.
Not trash talking randomers isn’t a “pessimistic” thing, it’s a “not being a shitty rude person” thing.
Classic Eagles. I do have Wentz Wagon as my QB though
I agree, bandwagoners are the worse, they have no real team to root for so they’ll pull a Durant in any chance they get.
The one and only benefit to a bad season is that the bandwagon clowns tend to jump ship to the next 2015 Panthers or 2016 Raiders. Bandwagon fans make no sense to me. What satisfaction could you possibly feel when you just go to the winningest team of the moment? And why then would you talk terrible trash devoid of cleverness? Because they’re stupid bad people that are stupid and bad.
From what I can tell, bandwagon fans are just impatient people. They want the satisfaction of winning without having to deal with the wait for it. I can see where a lot of them are coming from. Why follow a team that has no shot at the playoffs, let alone a championship, when you can follow the team(s) that have the best oppurtunity at winning the title?
This isn’t to say I support bandwagoning. I think it defeats the purpose of watching sports entirely. But I can understand why they do it.
Not to mention the team’s championship win wouldn’t be enjoyable either.
The worst bandwagon fans are Red Sox fans at Fenway. Anyone who sings Sweet Caroline at a baseball game just sucks.
My beef with the Red Sox fans is that they are also among the most hypocritical fan bases as well. Maybe it’s the Yankee fan in me talking but even then I can still acknowledge the faults of the fan base of my team (which is plenty in its own right). The thing is this, notice how the people who whine about the Yankee payroll are generally Red Sox fans? At least that’s what I got from certain forums and YT comments sections anyway. Also there’s the riots.
The worst fans in New England are Yankees fans. It takes a special kind of asshole to live in New England and be a Yankees fan. By definition, that makes them bandwagon fans. They put the Yankees gear away when the Yankees stink.
special attention to the very first split in the decision tree http://www.interpretationbydesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/IBD_baseball_flowchart.jpg
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It depends on the state actually. Connecticut was a bit further from Maine so there tends to be a strong Yankee fan base in the southern part of the state.
For me the worst kind of Yankee fans would be the ones who rips on the players for leaving the team for bigger contract, note the irony on this one. Then again I don’t think they ever gotten used to Cano because when he came up in 2005, it ensures that Soriano won’t come back (though Soriano later changed to outfielder and did came back in 2013). Funny thing is that they used to hate Soriano until he was traded. It’s easy to see why the fan base have a negative reputation.
Also their weird obsession of wanting the Yankees to sign or trade for some mediocre pitchers during the mid-2000s.
Hey now, I’m a Twins fan and the Yankees deserve every bit of scorn they get ;).
THE BALL WAS FAIR, CUZZI.
Sweep.
Red Sox fans are the worst because they hate the Yankees for buying their titles but love their team for doing that exact thing.
Baseball’s a trash sport anyways.
28-3 is the most overused response i get anytime i try to form an argument for or against any team in a discussion, the person i talk to just reminds me of 28-3. I’ve been a Failcons fan my entire life and the way i describe the fandom to my wife is i have a dark black hole inside of me that devours every good thing but inside that black hole is a happy little man that keeps trying to climb out. last year i let him get to the top and be happy and spout positivity until 28-3 came along and slapped the crap outta him. this year though that man is still happy just battered and bruised and so many 28-3 jokes have come into the hole that now he is using them to be stronger and climb back to the top faster.
or for a full explanation of this feeling read this and watch video from after our pick 2 loss to the chiefs but before the superbowl last year https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2016/12/7/13858044/atlanta-falcons-football-2016-chiefs-loss-bomani-jones-highly-questionable-history-lesson
Didn’t string together a winning season for 40 years: You
Didn’t even have a winning season for 21 years: Saints
Didn’t have a playoff win for 50 years: Cardinals
I live in Pittsburgh, and one of my friends is a Steelers fan (didn’t see that one coming). Anytime I’d try to say something good about the team, he just responds with “You lost to the Browns,” or something about wasting Rivers’ career. Being a Chargers fan is basically like living in hell. We get a good draft pick, then pick a position we dont even need. The fans are some of the best, but the Spanos just shits on San Diego. Even worse, we play in a soccer stadium. Even worse, LA doesn’t care about us. Even worse, we lost all the fans in San Diego, for what. We probably have the least amount of fans in the league. I’m suprised I’m still a Chargers fan to this day.
Trash talk does work best among friends, but I understand it between strangers who root for teams that are clearly rivals. They don’t like your team and you don’t like theirs, and even if you don’t know each other each likely knows where the other is coming from. I recall once having a conversation with an acquaintance I did not know all that well and it turned to college football. After we each learned that we attended rival schools, they quickly admitted, fairly politely, that they did not at all like my school or its football team. I said, that was fine, they aren’t supposed to. The feeling was mutual and trash talk commenced. That’s what makes rivalries fun.
Now if their trash talk lacks any hint of wit, cleverness, or thought then they’re just being trolls. This can apply to friends too, at least until they stop being friends.
It can also be used by athletes as a part of competitive nature. Michael Jordan and Gary Payton were known for this.
I’m a Patriots fan and even though it sucked when it happened (although a lot of you disagree) I honestly love a good 18-1 joke. I used to have a whole folder full of them, but that was a computer or two ago. My favorite to this day remains one of my own in which I just did the when you see it you’ll shit bricks caption on a picture of a losing Massachusetts scratch ticket with the winning numbers 18 and 1.
This comic made me remember that Dave technically didn’t finish the ‘Football Fan Types’ series years ago.
Bringing the last ones back up, he gave us a preview about ‘The Obnoxious Newbie’, a take he didn’t end up delivering in comic form.
C’mon Dave, it’s been three years, but finish the series sometime soon! Tell us your take about the few fan types you haven’t covered yet! (or at least, do so when this season ends, during the season we have more than enough juicy news bits for you to turn into wonderful comics and entertain us with)
I wonder if there’s anyone besides me who engaged in “applied pessimism”. Did that a week before Super Bowl 42 because I didn’t want to get my hopes up, especially knowing that the slight chance stems from the fact that Brady won the passing yards title and no QB were able to lead his team to the championship win since 1959. Just didn’t want to jinx it and break the trend.
It paid off in the end and even now it’s still ongoing. But now thanks to Drew Brees, no one will have to worry about this for the time being.
More beard = less hope.
Santa must be a Bills fan.
Funny, a friend and I did the opposite of trash talking yesterday. I was talking up the Panthers and he was singing the praises of the Vikings while we were relentlessly bashing our own teams. Is there even a word for that, besides stupid?
Self-loathing?
eagles fans are good at trash talk cuz its all we have 🙁
And the batteries
I’m a big Eagles fan and there are some fun silly ribbing out there. As a Giants fan, it’s easy to trash all eagles fans as stupid, lazy and uncreative. Most of us don’t fit that tag at all. I will joke around with Giants fans for a little fun ribbing and joking and always smile and offer a beer or sign that it’s all in good fun. The problem with a lot of G-man and Birds fans is that they take the whole thing WAY to seriously. I rib the birds all the time and have even been known to refer myself as one of the world’s most pathetic creatures – a Philly sports fan. My BF who is a giants fan says…i think i’m worse – at least your loyal. I think i have years i want to celebrate and then we to the playoffs and i think, we shouldn’t be here…and i selling my soul. We just laugh and have fun.
“Fair Weather” or “Took a drink every time the Giants’ O-line has let them down”?
I think a pot of daffodils can block better than Ereck Flowers. After that some accident occurs where a lineman crushed the pot, making a game causality. With that kind of attention this receives, enough fans will vote it into the Pro Bowl and a memorial will be made for it during the pregame.
Then things gets back to normal.
Hopefully soon he can finally bend the knee to someone better.
Pshhh, your bad trash talk still isn’t as bad as the Giants. buuuuuuuuuuurn!
“i agree bandwagoners suck” is the bandwagoner creed, mmk
Is shitposting considered a form of trash talk? Because if it is /sp/ is GOAT at trash talk
Shitposting? Surely you mean “bantz”.
“fan” is short for “fanatic” and fanaticism is always kinda stupid. Like I guess I support a team or two, but why be fanatical about it? It’s not like most of the players are from around here, it’s not like I actually like or support the billionaire owners, and it’s not like I have anything to do with their success or failure.
Like OK, I guess I’m a Niners fan, but if you want to trash-talk the Niners, go right on ahead, it’s not like I’m at fault for their failures, nor would I ever brag about their successes I had no part in creating.
This is the life of a Mets fan.
2015 & 2016 seemed like the only years where we could talk shit about the Yankees. After years of playing little brother, the Mets could finally be NYC’s team. The Yankees looked like they were sputtering out and the Mets had a wealth of great pitchers to lead us to the promise land. And then this year happened.
It’s a perpetual cycle of one-sided trash talking. I got shit for being a Mets fan when I was in elementary school…. in Queens. No matter what you say, that damn Yankee fan from the Bronx will always bring up that “rangz, erneh” argument.
Being a Mets fan is like being Harry Potter in the Sorcerer’s Stone. Your dickhead brother always gets what he wants while you’re just stewing under the attic, waiting for that moment of success. Only that you never get the mail from Hogwarts, you just get overwhelming depresssion.
Living in Queens, I actually have a soft spot for the Mets. If the Mets succeeds in winning a title, I would have been okay with it as long it’s not against the Yankees. Too bad about what happened to them this season.
Not to mention their front office screw up that led to them keep paying off Bonilla until 2035, I mean WTF?
I think the Browns actually will get it together pretty soon though.
You say that…
Red Sox fans are the worst kind of pessimists. Right now, as you are reading this, somebody on Facebook is writing a comment about how shitty the Red Sox are and how literally any and every aspect needs a complete overhaul and you shouldn’t expect any success out of them at all whatsoever, despite the fact that they are objectively better than about two thirds of all teams. I look at those fans and wonder if, for example, the Mariners or Pirates inspire this much vitriol.
What makes Red Sox fans shitty is wearing pink hats, doing the wave and singing “So good, so good”. Don’t go to Fenway if you want to watch the game. Clueless fans are too involved taking selfies, standing for the wave and not paying attention to the game. Mister Smithers is making money off of bandwagon fans.
Reminds me of the comments section on Yahoo Sports when the Cardinals got blown out by the Panthers in the NFC Championship Game. Granted the Cardinals really could sue some changes however. Then there was a rumor that on WFAN in 1998 when the Yankees lost a game to the Devil Rays late in the season and some kid called to complain about it. Wished I could hear that one, it sounds hilarious.
I have a friend who honestly thought the Indians would finish out of the playoffs unless they traded for Jay Bruce. This was at a point in mid-July when they had been winning the division for more than a month, even if it was in a tight race. I suppose he got his wish, but I don’t think. Bruce was the reason they went on the winning streak.
Being a St. Louis Rams fan, my response was always, “Yeah, they’re terrible, lemme tell you all the ways they are. But also lemme tell you about how they used to be when they won the Superbowl. ”
Now I’m like, “F%&$ the NFL.”
Ricky Proehl, AKA Nostradamus. He predicted the Patriots dynasty, baby.
Is this an acknowledgement that there are no Fairweather Eagles fans?
You missed out adding the “Glory Hound” fans who only follow winning teams.
You can’t live in Philly and not be an Eagles fan. Philly is a football town. you move here most folks get converted in about 5-10 years exceptions include NFCEast fans. Dallas fans may be shunned for life here. Giants fans are tolerated b/c we have a mutual disdain for Dallas.
This past Saints game moved me from an “Average” to a “Pessimist” just by itself
I, the eternal optimist, shout “Go Jaguars!”.