The New York Jets Go All In
Seems like every couple of years somebody goes all in on a draft pick to grab that magical QB. This year we have the Jets going for the gusto. It’s a pretty interesting scenario we have here now.
I can’t decide if I like this move or not. These big blockbuster moves seem like they have a higher miss rate than hit. Wentz worked out. RG3 didn’t. Mark Sanchez didn’t, not really. Dion Jordan (remember when the Dolphins did that) definitely didn’t work out. Sammy Watkins didn’t either. Julio did. Trent Richardson did not.
The presumption is that the Jets are going after a QB. Probably Rosen, as Darnold appears more and more to be the #1 pick. Supposedly the Jets went after the #1 pick but the Browns didn’t budge. The Jets need a QB, as McCown is 75 years old and nobody knows if Teddy can even play anymore. But the QB spot is far from the only hole the Jets have, so is this wise to give up a lot of second rounders to possibly get “the guy”? I mean, probably. QB is important. But this is going to fuck the Jets if it doesn’t pan out. Todd Bowles somehow survived these past two offseasons, this smells a bit like desperation. On the other hand this might be the best chance the Jets have of getting the QB they need. But the question to me is…did they need to move up? And if they did…wouldn’t they have needed to move up at least one more slot to #2 to really ensure this was worth it? The biggest issue with this is that nobody knows what the fuck the Giants are going to do, so the Jets may still get screwed making this all for naught.
Lets look at the draft before this trade occurs.
1. Browns
2. Giants
3. Colts
4. Browns
5. Broncos
6. Jets
Of that group, the Browns and the Giants feel like the only real threats to take a QB. The Colts still have Luck. The Browns aren’t going to take 2 QBs. The Broncos signed Case Keenum and still have Paxton, who is a first round pick that has been too injured to completely judge. If the Jets hold their position, it feels like they probably have a decent chance of still getting one of the top 3 QBs. One of those teams is taking Barkley, one is probably taking Chubb. The wild card is the Giants. The Browns are going QB at #1 overall, this feels very obvious and makes perfect sense. It’s going to be either Darnold or Rosen, probably Darnold. Maybe Baker Mayfield because Browns. Then we get to a team that is nothing but smokescreens. The Giants have Eli, and seem to be behind him. They also have Davis Webb. Rumors of them taking Saquon have been around for a while. Now that they traded JPP, there are also rumors circulating they take Chubb now too. However Davis Webb wasn’t a high pick last year and the Giants are also a new regime and need an Eli replacement soon even if they still like him. I have no fucking idea what the Giants are going to do. No one does. Maybe they trade down and mess everyone up.
So the Jets may have moved up for nothing. If the Giants don’t take a QB, the Jets probably could have stayed put or maybe traded up with the Browns #4 pick instead. If the Giants do take a QB, it’s probably the guy the Jets wanted, and they have to settle. This feels pointlessly risky by the Jets. At least to me.
Of course there is a lot we don’t know. Maybe the Jets have talked with the Giants and know what they are gonna do. Maybe the Jets were scared someone else was going to trade up before they could, like maybe the Dolphins. Or the Bills. Maybe the Jets actually do want someone not named Darnold or Rosen. Maybe the Jets tried to deal with the Giants and the Giants said no. It just feels like the Jets played themselves here because they panicked a bit after losing out on the Cousins sweepstakes.
I hope whoever they do pick works out, for their sake. I’m always up for new blood in the AFCE.
For the record, I think the Giants are taking a QB. I’d love Barkley, but Eli’s time is almost up and this is likely our best chance to get one.
Dave….The jets traded up to the #3 slot with the colts.
They’re gonna get the 3rd QB off the board if they’re lucky, Giants are trading down or taking a QB and given the Giants didn’t trade down with the Jets I think it’s a safe bet they’re taking a QB or know the two players they’re gonna go with.
I’m pretty sure that the Giants are taking a QB assuming the Browns take Saquon at #1. However, if Barkley is free at #2 I wholeheartedly think that the Giants should take it. He’s obviously the bet talent on the board and Dave Gettleman would be retarded to pass up on it. The jets are guaranteed getting anyone but Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold since they are the easy first picks. But I think the Giants should take Sam Darnold just because of rumors that Josh Rosen is a shitty teammate. We should also remember that Baker Mayfield is still there and he can still get taken by NYG if they decide to give up on the O-Line (that is worst case scenario, BTW)
They didn’t give up everything…but they didn’t need to move up lol
Any team that is picking up high in the draft is either going to draft a QB or trade down for a king’s ransom. This applies for both the Colts at 3 and Browns at 4, who are probably now going to sell their pick to the Bills for all their picks. Jets had to trade up.
However, their GM had said that he liked 3 QBs this year: Rosen, Darnold & Allen. So watch as the Jets sell their future to draft Josh Allen, aka Christian Hackenberg 2.0
Have you seen the mock drafts? They were expecting the Giants to pull off a deal like Costner did in “Draft Day”. Made we wonder whoever did the mock drafts watched the movie and thinks this is how drafts goes.
*me
I don’t get why this move has been criticized. The Jets didn’t give up any future first, they only gave up second rounders, but not even a lot of pics. Basically they don’t have a second round pic this year or next year, and THATS IT. Furthermore, the Jets were at pick number 6, The Browns need a qb, The Cardinals need a qb, The Broncos need a qb, The Bills need a qb, The Dolphins need a qb, and the Giants will probably draft a qb. There are considered 4 top prospects. 4 qbs minus the the 6 pick = -2 top qbs left. It was a good move to secure one of the top 4 qbs. We’ll see if the qb pans out, but it was a good move, without giving up a ton of picks. For reference of a bad trade, the Redskins gave up as many 1st rounders as the Jets gave up 2nd rounders.
In terms of what they gave up they did pretty good. Seconds are valuable but they could have been scammed much worse. The issue I’m having is that they probably didn’t need to move up, or move up as far as they did, and give up even less.
I’d have to disagree a bit. Did the absolutely have to move up? Probably not, but honestly as a Jets fan I’m tired of being just mediocre enough to get the six pick and then taking a defender. They may have been able to get A quarterback at 6, but possibly not THE quarterback.
You’re ignoring that the non-QB-takers ahead of the Jets are candidates for trading down with a team that needs a QB. You can’t just look at the Browns at #4 and the Broncos at #5 and assume those two teams will be the teams picking in those positions. The Jets traded up for #3 to prevent another QB-needy team from trading up for #3 instead! If the Colts are shopping their pick to the Jets, they’re shopping their pick to everyone and you better be confident your guy is still there after *literally any other team in the NFL who wants him* decides they won’t pay what the Colts want for that pick.
The Jets probably want Josh Allen from Wyoming
The JPP trade is Tampa doing what expansion/non-CFL/NFL teams do: get the past his prime star player from the local big college in a desperate attempt to grab local fans. Yes, Tampa, despite being over 40 years old as an NFL franchise, is so desperate for fans they’re trying to suck off of USF’s success. Don’t be surprised if they try to grab QB Quienton Flowers in the 2nd or 3rd round even though he’s not supposed to go until the 4th or 5th round.
Broncos fan here, but with the Giants trading away JPP to the Bucs, if I was New York’s GM, I’d run to the podium to pick Bradley Chubb, unquestionably the best player in the draft. Bar none. He has a dominant skill set, as an edge rusher, edge setter and is solid in coverage, and a scheme-versatile fit. With teams playing a lot of nickel packages, he’d most likely be rushing from a 4-3 end position too. When I was scouting him against Florida State, I had him locked as a top5 pick, and my biggest weakness for him was that the Broncos wouldn’t be in a position to draft him.
As for QB, the Giants overdrafted Davis Webb because of his rocket arm, and it was a given that he would take some time to develop. Then again, he did unseat some scrub called Baker Mayfield in college. I just don’t see Big Blue taking a QB, especially when Dave Gettleman is the GM, and he is known for building his rosters from the inside-out with the big guys. The best way to win a game of football is with a pass rush. It’s a premium position where the fifth-year option makes most sense. That sqaud was close. Add in Ogletree, Nate Solder, a known quantity at LT, and Patrick Omaweh who played well for the Jags at guard, and there aren’t too many big holes for your team. Chubb can start day 1, juice that pass rush, and it would not surprise me if he is a pro-bowler as a rookie.
For the Broncos, with Jared Veldheer coming in at RT, QB addressed for Case Keenum for now, there’s a lot of flexibility with that #5 pick, and the thought of putting Chubb next to Von Miller…yikes. I’d much rather kick that QB question to next year, when Paxton Lynch can be released, and maybe someone like Deondre Francois is there as a first rounder, to then groom for another year behind Keenum.
I think this is a fairly solid plan. Gettleman also liked to have backs he could depend on to carry the running game. Right now, I’d say Chubb or Barkley for the Giants. But they could’ve traded back and likely still had Chubb, so it seems more likely that the pick could be Barkley. Then again, they could be waiting for the Bills to blow everything to move up. Both 1’s this year, plus a 1 next year? Maybe even more…
I think the reason my stupid team made this trade is so other people couldn’t. I think they know there’s a risk in not getting their first choice QB. The giants clearly asked for kings a ransom for their pick, so I don’t see anybody giving up that much to move up there now that the price is set.
I like this move only because it’s done now instead of draft night and you just know the Bills would be leapfrogged them and picked up a future HOF to rub it in our faces.
I’ve tried caring about the Jets and whether or not they can rival New England each year and I’ve kind of given up on the AFC East in general. I think it’s probably the most boring division in the NFL…
I think the move was more of an attempt to fuck the teams that wanted to jump us than a panicked move to not get a top QB. They new the Bills and the Cards were eyeing the QBs hard and wanted to make sure we didn’t get gyped out of our guy and if they waited to make the trade it’ll only get more expensive.
If we didn’t move up the Bills would’ve 100%. Now they’re fucked, either they pay even more for the 2nd pick or they still pick behind us at 4 or later.
I was under the impression that they were concerned that someone else might trade up if they didn’t. By trading up, they secure the guy they want rather than getting a nasty surprise when some other team trades past them. I don’t think it’s a great move, but I can see the logic behind it.
The only thing about Trumaine that’s great is the money he costs.
I know that the sports media has a hard-on for this draft class, but it seams like every QB has a few obvious flaws:
Sam Darnold has the most punchable face ever. Only Rivers and Cutler have managed to have careers with punchable faces.
Josh Rosen looks like inbred Aaron Rodgers and seams like the safest bet, but in the NFL, you won’t be as successful if your team mates don’t like you because you act like a headcase (ask Jay Cutler, Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinert, Vince Young, post-rookie of the year RG3 and Jimmy Clausen).
Baker Mayfield looks like a great choice too if he can translate his game to the pros. Going to depend on the situation and scheme, but the dudes a gamer. That UGA game was lit.
Josh Allen isn’t that accurate, and I don’t like the track record of College QBd who throw under 60% (he threw 55%). It’s not like the throws get easier. For comparison Jamarcus Russel was a 68% passer in college.
Lamar Jackson is super interesting because we might finally get to see what it could have looked like if Mike Vick would have played in a modern offense instead of being shackled into a old school pocket passer offense. I don’t think he’ll be as much of a head case early in his career either (he watches film, probably won’t flick off the crowd like a wrestling heel and probably won’t start an illegal dog fighting ring).
You forgot Quienton Flowers, the wild card runner from South Florida who is only going to be a 3rd or 4th rounder soley because of the strength of this yearsyear’s class.
The smart thing for the Jets to do would be to have an agreement in principle with the Colts to move up on draft day if the Jets wanted to pull the trigger. If the Giants take Chubb or Barkley they make the trade and get their guy. If the Giants take their target at QB, they stay put and end up with one of Chubb, Barkley, or the #3 QB.