The Excuses Never End
I tuned in last week to watch the Giants play the Texas in preseason and it took 1 play for me to deeply to sigh at the state of things. In no time, after it got worse, I saw the excuses start to pop up again. Mostly “it’s his first game back after major injury”. “It’s preseason”. “He settled in and played better later”. I’m so fucking tired.
This is who Daniel Jones is. It’s who he’s always been. It is who he will always be. He’s a mediocre physical talent who can’t make every throw, can scramble, and cannot process the game fast enough to be effective at QB. This is YEAR 6. He’s not going to change. He’s a backup-caliber player at best who can occasionally play well enough to win a game.
I’ve never been a drinker of the Jones Kool-Aid and I’ve thought he was not the guy since day 1 but I’ve tried my best to be fair to him and I’ve excused him plenty. The excuses aren’t without warrant. They aren’t pure cope. He has been stuck on dogshit rosters behind dogshit offensive lines throwing to dogshit weapons in dogshit schemes for dogshit coaches for most of his dogshit career. The Giants have not done the kid any favors. He’s taken it all on the chin and gotten back up like a champ in that regard. I bear him no personal ill-will. But he just doesn’t have the juice. When he threw for touchdowns in his early years he was a turnover machine. When he fixed his turnover problem he did so by becoming a timid checkdown coward. He can’t go through his progressions. He’s injury-prone. You can’t rely on his one good skill of scrambling. He’s backup caliber. He’s not the guy. He never was, and we already ruined any chance he had.
The dark secret of QBs is it’s pretty easy to tell if a guy has the juice in the end. Every QB has good plays and bad plays. Good drives and bad drives. Good games and bad games. Good seasons and bad seasons if they are fortunate enough to play that long. What makes you a franchise guy is if the good outweighs the bad. Eli was known for dumbshit INTs but he didn’t throw them on every play, he was overall quite good at moving the ball effectively. He mostly made the right decisions, even when things went sour and that right decision was to throw it away or take a sack. That’s why he was a good quarterback. That’s why he was the guy. You don’t see a lot of players cross the juice-having line from no juice to the juice. If they do, it usually happens after a few seasons. But 6?
Daniel Jones has good moments, he has good games, he even had an alright season once and played well in a playoff win. He even did some good shit during the Texans game. But what backup QB doesn’t have good moments? Remember when we all loved Josh Dobbs for 2 weeks last year? Some good throws, some good decisions, some great moments…do not make you the guy. I swear after every Daniel Jones flop of a game I see people in the Giants fanbase writing it off as best they can like he’s still a rookie learning the ropes in week 4. After every Daniel Jones success, I still see some doofuses pointing and cheering as if it means something major flipped. The level of cope is astounding.
You could probably call me a hater but I’ve never rooted against the guy. I do not want him to be bad. I just don’t think he’s good, and I’ve run out of excuses to give him the benefit of. I ran out last year. I held onto hope that his average at best 2022 was a step in the right direction and not smoke and mirrors but that hope instantly went up in flames last year. Stop giving him excuses. Any excuse. This is fucking year 6 of the Daniel Jones experience. Even the Jets are smart enough to move on from failures at QB faster than this. It’s not a good sign to see excuses pop up in Giants forums to this day yet every single other fanbase has just been laughing at us for years now. When are we going to stop pretending that his one throw to Darius Slayton justifies 4 quarters of below-average play? Stop it! Root for him all you want, he’s the QB so we sorta have to support him and I will not root for losing. Stop trying to justify all the failure and accept this is who he is, and simply be disappointed like the rest of us who have.
My one wish for Daniel Jones this year is that he leaves it all on the table. Go down swinging. Despite this post I think most of the fanbase has turned on him by now and wants him gone. I don’t care if he becomes turnover Jones again if he’s chucking deep underthrown bombs towards Nabers every drive. If I’m stuck with Daniel Jones for one more season, I want it to at least be entertaining. This isn’t the time to play it safe and most of us have moved on. At least make it fun if you can’t make it good.
Man, not even week 1 and I’m in mid-season depression form already. GET HYPE
I’m convinced Sam Darnold is going to drop 30 on us in week 1 and my soul will leave my body.
Dave to Danny:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrFtpSfc-b4&pp=ygUTWW91IGFyZSBub3QgdGhlIGd1eQ
If your team just sucks, from top to bottom, that’s one thing, and yeah, I think the Giants are that thing this year. Is that better or worse than having a fantastic QB or other important-position-player that your team just wastes the peak years of?
I’d say it’s better, personally, because you don’t get the feeling of “what-could-have-beens”. You can just… enjoy the suck for that year, without hope getting in the way to get crushed.a
Oh man I have to say I absolutely love the idea of a post-apocalyptic world where somehow the NFL is one of the only things still trucking along like nothing is wrong with fans killing each other for food and shelter under the stadium. If you ever feel like writing a series of short stories start there.
Enjoy friend
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From a Bengals fan who had to deal with the same thing with Andy Dalton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js
Red Rifle was a better QB than Danny Dimes ever was.
Ravems fan and even I can promise you that andy was 30x the qb Daniel is
Enjoy friend
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This comic had me giggling on the first panel. I hadn’t even made it to the second and I was sharing it.
Soooo good.
Ngl this post is the coolest Dave has looked for this whole comic
Some kid causing bother in my workplace on Sunday during a stocktake wearing a Daniel Jones jersey.
I think he might have had more yardage to be honest. Sign him up – gets the little fecker out of our way…
Meanwhile, a good chunk of Vikings fans spent basically all six seasons we had Kirk Cousins as our QB trying to run him out on a rail.
Fuckin fanbases, man.
The fan base was right on that occasion. Cousins was the ultimate high-priced prostitute that edged the fans close to an orgasm and then let you down.
People are hoping he’ll turn it around like Phil Simms, however that was a miracle that can happen once in a generation. Not even Pete Rose would dare to bet on this.
Not to mention the 1970s and early 80s team were far worse.
I feel bad for you
That last paragraph is exactly how I felt last eyar as a Steelers fan. So…uh…best of luck.
I just wish Giants fans would stop talking about Jones all the time. Every thread about anything Giants related now has half the people yelling about how terrible Jones is, no matter what the subject is. I can’t enjoy and online discussion for the Giants this year. The vitriol people have for him is crazy. And the big thing is that we already tried to draft his replacement and his contract is structured so we can get out of it this year. If he has another shitty or even just bad year then Schoen will be doing everything he can to get Jones replacement.
Let’s be able to have some discussions on how the rest of the team is. I’m liking the lines and getting Nabers. Gray looks like a good RB. I’m hopeful that the team around the QB is improving so we’ll be in a better place in 2025 regardless of who the QB is.
“I’m convinced Sam Darnold is going to drop 30 on us in week 1 and my soul will leave my body.”
Playing the Uno Reverse card and convincing the Vikings org to sign Darnold to a long term deal?
You think Daniel Jones is bad? We have Justin Fields.
Man, This really reminds me of having to defend Andy Dalton year after year…
Except Andy Dalton genuinely accomplished WAY more than Daniel Jones ever did, and for some reason was way more irrationally hated.
It boggles my mind how much shit Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins get while everyone apologizes for DJ over and over again. It’s like being excellent but never quite being able to will your team to a ring makes you WAY more hated than never even sniffing real success.
If I want to play Devil’s Advocate, let me present exhibit A, as in Alex Smith. Dude looked like a total dud for quite a few years (49ers fans chanted “We want Carr!” at him and they meant _David_ Carr…) until he was suddenly like one play away from going to a Super Bowl, only lost his starting job due to a concussion and Kaep being absolutely insane out of nowhere and put multiple teams into playoff contention later on.
Not saying he’s the all time great HoF but you can’t argue Smith didn’t have at least some juice, and it _did_ take until his 7th year to actually show. A perfect storm team dysfunctionality, roster and coach turnover can hold a good QB back for a surprising amount of time even when you think you’ve seen more than enough of them.