Seriously What The Hell, Bill
Man I didn’t have a high opinion of Bill O’Buttchin before this week and I can’t say my impression of him has improved.
The Texans historic playoff collapse was the nail in the coffin for most fans of the team but Anus Jaw kept his gig and kept it with style. He got promoted. He led the team to one of the worst playoff collapses in history and then he got promoted. His new title is Chip Kelly. He’s the guy in charge of player management and the coach. He’s got all the power within the organization. The Texans saw him fart his way out of a huge lead in a vital game and went “here, have more power, you deserve it”.
If Buttchin had any real defenders left after that debacle there is no way he has them now. Bilbo Butts went and traded one of the franchise players for peanuts. DeAndre Hopkins, one of the best WR’s in the league for the past half decade who now finally had a competent QB throwing him the ball has been sent to replace Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona. What were the terms? Laughable. If you laughed at the return the Giants got for Odell Beckham, this one sent you to the floor with convulsions.
The Texans gave up DeAndre Hopkins and a 4th round pick for David Johnson, a 2nd round pick, and a 4th round pick. So they basically traded an all-pro WR in his prime for a broken-down has-been RB and a second round pick. You can’t even call it a cap space move, because the Texans are going to be paying Johnson’s entire salary, which ends up being roughly the same amount as Hopkins salary was. There is a report that when news of the trade hit another office, the executives started laughing. I can’t say I didn’t do exactly the same. I can’t say I’m still not doing the same two days later.
If I was an NFL team with a QB problem right now I would be 100% inquiring what I could get for DeShaun Watson or maybe Will Fuller. JJ Watt is older and kinda broken but hey, he’d be worth a 3rd. You might even get him for a 4th. Why not? Bill was willing to trade a un-tradeable player for basically some guy we all forgot about because he was really only good for one season and tricked everyone into drafting him in fantasy only to be rewarded with a torn ACL and zero meaningful production since. Of course, I also feel bad for David Johnson, who was on the verge of making the Cardinals relevant again before it went belly up, and now he’s only talked about like a worthless hunk of meat by chucklefucks like myself. I’m sorry David, I hope you get back to form, especially behind 300 Million dollar man Laremy Tunsil. I just assume Bill will pay him too much, right?
It didn’t help that later that same day the Vikings traded Diggs for a 1st, 5th, and 6th rounder from the Bills. Diggs isn’t as good as Hopkins and they still got a better return. God bless our Buttchin friend, and may he continue to Chip Kelly the Texans into oblivion for my amusement.
Sorry, Texans fans, you don’t deserve this. I will say I am a member of one of the few fanbases that understands the pain of watching your dipshit GM trade away an all-pro WR. I sympathize.
LOL!! The Raiders got TWO first round picks for Khalil Mack and one for Amari Cooper (and Cooper isn’t even top 10) and the Texans couldn’t even get a 1st rounder for Hopkins?? Terrible trade.
Can you do a “Tom Brady leaving Boston to self isolate strip”
Ding dong the witch is dead
This is worse than the next-to-fuck-all Miami got out of Cleveland for the freshly-franchised Jarvis Landry.
Not sure why you brought up the Giants trading Oh Hell F&@# em Jr. Some Giants fans inconsolably wept (you), other Giants fans had a delightful laugh of relief (me). And the more time passes the better and better the move looks. We absolutely DO NOT understand their pain.
Because this trade is not even in the same stratosphere as that. OFJ was a known cancer, a known moron, a known injury problem suffering from severe emotional immaturity. And you can argue whether the Giants squeezed all the juice out of that deal, or whatever weird comparison Dave Gettleman would make, but it’s nothing like what went down here. There is ZERO upside to this move for the Texans.
Of all the things Dave has done wrong, this is not the one to pick. If you’re going to criticize the Giants for a laughably stupid move, how about signing Ben McPoop out from under the Eagles, paving the way for Philly to win a Super Bowl and us to bench Eli for Glass Joe?
If any fanbase would understand the pain of this trade, it’s Bears fans. They were similarly fleeced by San Fran, and True Biscuits didn’t even pan out after all that. Or Washington fans, from that time they gave up everything to Jeff Fisher and then RGIII shattered.
Ditto.
That trade looks better in retrospect since Beckham has done nothing in Cleveland but at the time we were giving up a top 5 WR talent after we just paid him for a young unproven safety and a mid-first round pick.
Hopkins is a better WR than Beckham but this feels like a lot of revisionist history to smear the guy. He was a diva but by all accounts a great teammate and an incredible talent that was mostly worth the trouble. It’s not like we were any better without him.
I think given where NYG were at the time as a team trading OBJ for future picks made good sense. I’m not sure they got as much as they should have liked, and I’m not sure picking Quads fits in with that strategy, but it’s overall a like C+ ish trade. Probably not great, but not a failure either
The thing to remember is he wasn’t *viewed* as a Top 5 when the trade happened. He missed a LOT of time being injured, he publicly denounced his qb, he was caught on video with coke’n’hookers… his value had taken a big hit.
I celebrated the night we traded him & I stand by that, even if he had put up big numbers this year. Narcissistic me-first divas lacking emotional maturity are team killers. I don’t care who came out and publicly said he’s a great teammate. These guys don’t choose their bedfellows, the good players don’t throw dirt on a guy publicly like that, so I put 0 faith in those voices.
And it’s not a trend that came out of nowhere. Moss (2007 being an exception), TO, Ocho Cinco, Keyshawn… guys who put their needs above the team 24/7 undermine everything, and with a rookie trying to find his footing, that’s DEATH. The watch, the facemask, the side hustle, the me-first attitude, none of that should have been a surprise to anyone.
It *feels* like you’re just kind of pushing all of those things aside because, hey, he put up big numbers back in the day. That must mean we’re better with him. Would Daniel Jones benefit from OBJ throwing his hands up after every single play and whining that he was open even if three guys were draped on him? Calling out the coaches? Wearing his watches, running a side biz, etc. I think we would have missed the opportunity to see what Slayton could do if OBJ was on the squad last year, in addition to the circus.
I’ll grant you – piggybacking off of rpgarcher – it was NOT an A+ trade. The cap hit for dumping him was huge, he should have never been given the contract to begin with, and if they traded him months earlier he wouldn’t have lost value for being an injured idiot. BUT. If you’re in a full-rebuild mode, a guy like that literally offers you nothing of value, and jettisoning the garbage for *something* isn’t always bad. Look what the Steelers did w/ AB last year, doesn’t look so stupid now. And I think the Giants realized they were way further from competing than they’d thought, even if they didn’t admit it publicly. But to call it a laughable move? And to compare it to what the Texans did? That just seems like a ginormous stretch.
Yeah I stopped reading after you said he wasn’t viewed as a top 5 because he wasn’t healthy. His value may have taken a hit, but his talent (based off of a limited serving size of production) and his potential were high. That would be like saying AB wasn’t a top 5 receiver when he was traded to the Raiders. He was a basket case. Steeler fans couldn’t wait to get rid of him. But no one could deny he was a top 5 talent. And last I checked, he sat out at the end of his Steeler tenure, SAT OUT!!!!! Odell was a top 5 talent at the time.
I apologize if I didn’t convey my thoughts clearly. I wasn’t trying to say his *on-field* production value took a hit before the trade, but his value on the market DID.
He had the mammoth contract, he only started 14 of his last 32 starts with the Giants, he had shown a lot of poor judgment off the field, and teams knew the Giants were trying to dump him. Given those circumstances, nobody was going to give them two first rounders, or whatever would have been considered good value.
It’s like a washing machine. If it’s dented, people don’t want to pay full price. Even if it’s 100% efficient, people don’t wanna pay full price.
If anything I think the argument that can be made was that the Giants probably could have gotten more from the trade but overall OBJ have shown he has done nothing to really help his case in the end.
Bill O’Brien is a hack.
Only people defending that trade? Likely got brain damaged byCorona-chan.
Don’t forget, this is now two years in a row that BOB has traded the best player on the team for peanuts.
And then the Rams were forced to give up Cooks (and his underwater contract) to get the Bucs to take Gurley’s albatross contract off their hands and somehow still managed to come out on top of that trade. Seriously. It’s like BOB and Jason Licht looked at the Osweiler trade and completely misunderstood how buying a pick works. And O’Brien had a front row seat for that one, too.
*Three* years in a row, depending on your evaluation of the Duane Brown trade.
Awww, poor Brett 🙁
I’m going to play the Vikings homer here. Diggs was getting antsy in MN and they needed the cap space. Sure, he’s made some spectacular catches, but he’s also let balls hit him in the face that then got intercepted. There’s not really any stars behind him, but Chad Beebe and Bisi Johnson are ready to step up and there’s still Thielen. Plus, this is a draft littered with receivers. I have no problem with this.
Right? I shouldn’t be worried about this? Right?
you’re a vikings fan. OF COURSE you should worry.
Nice, a Brett Kollmann cameo.
Aaaaaaand now it came out that BoB compared DeAndre to Aaron Hernandez to his face, and fired him because he didn’t like how much influence he had.
hahahahahha FUCK
RESPECT MA AUTHORITAY!
He’s so homophobic
That Billy Madison academic decathlon speech would be the perfect response to anything BoB would blurt out nowadays it seems.
yeah, like I think the diggs trade was not great for Minnesota. It was at least reasonable though (based on team trajectory and money concerns), the hopkins trade is truly baffling. I think if they got Arizona’s first *and* second it would still probably be a better trade for the cardinals. With Antonio Brown off in “off field issues” hell, I think Hopkins is probably the #1 WR in the NFL right now (although I won’t argue with anyone who prefers Thomas). That’s the kind of player that’s worth a first round pick and some consideration
The fact that this trade would never pass in any fantasy league, AND that getting rid of 100% of David Johnson’s contract was probably bigger than the second round pick, the Cardinals were basically paid to receive an all pro receiver.
Watson should give a “it’s buttchin or me” ultimatum to the organization, he’s gonna die in that city if BOB keeps making the decisions.
Watson would be better of being traded at this point, it’s too late for Watt but yeah.
Please do a Phillip rivers to colts gag where he can’t live in his house because of social distancing and having 9 kids.
Can’t decide how I feel about the Rivers and Buckner signings. Buckner is definitely a great addition and I don’t mind the big money contract given Ballard had been smart about building up cap space…but I wonder if they could have gotten Javon Kinlaw with that pick and gotten 80% of Buckner’s production for 12% of the price.
As for Rivers…$25m is steep but it’s only one year. Still don’t get paying a premium for a bridge QB though. Brissett isn’t the long-term answer but neither is Rivers. May as well conserve that money and have Brissett play out his contract while drafting a QB this year or next.
Of course, our division rivals just made an infinitely stupider move so I can’t be too mad. I feel bad for Watson, Houston’s going to waste him just like we wasted Luck.
It just hit me that this was Brett Kollmann…But