Matty Patty Was The Bad Guy
Matty Patty got fired!
When I first made this comic after the opening game embarrassment I had a big grand vision of a whole series of Matty Patty comics that ended up just…never coming to fruition. Maybe because the punchline would have more or less been the same gag every time. There wasn’t much I could do that would have been funnier than what Patricia was actually doing to the team. Patricia’s early failures pretty quickly gave way into the dawning realization that “oh, this is going to be depressing, actually”. I was not proven wrong in that belief. Patricia’s Detroit tenure will go down as an all-time bad hire.
The power of hindsight has clearly vindicated Jim Caldwell, who has gotten a bit of a re-evaluation in the aftermath. When Caldwell was fired, it was not entirely unexpected but also not entirely deserved. The Lions weren’t a bad team. They were consistently alright, fringe playoff contenders who had some problems. After a few years of mediocrity I guess they felt they needed just a small boost. I feel like better drafting and player acquisition would have done the job but at the time I also didn’t know how beloved Caldwell was as a coach. On the sideline Caldwell had a reputation as a stoic emotionless zombie so it came as a suprised to me when I found out players loved him. It was a good reminder that coaching is so much more than what we see on the sidelines for 3 hours every week.
The fallout from Patricia has also been a good reminder of how much coaching matters besides the actual game, even though he sucked at that too. I can’t remember the last time so many players have openly rejoiced at a coach losing his job. General Managers? Yeah, I’ve seen former players shit on GMs after firings plenty of times. Bruce Allen, Scott Pioli, Tom Coughlin, and Trent Baalke all got shade thrown on them (Pioli in particular) when they got fired, but the coaches? Normally players are bummed when coaches get let go, because coaches are like dads. Even perpetual hardass grouch Tom Coughlin was given praise by the Giants players when he left. It was when he took the more executive role in Jax that got him hated. Patricia? Nothing but shade. It was glorious and a true testament to how bad he must have been.
Patricia goes down as the latest failed Belichick disciple and possibly the worst so far (probably tied with McDaniels). He took a fringe playoff team and immediately drove them into the ground. He took a cohesive locker room and demolished it, alienating talent and requiring unneeded replacement players. He was quite possibly the biggest example of a Bill B crony who came into a program with a huge ego and tried to force the Patriot Way. You can’t force the Patriot Way. The thing about the Patriot Way is that it wasn’t built the way Patricia was doing it. The Patriot Way was an organic process that took years, and only became “a thing” after the franchise had their first dynasty run in the early 2000’s. Winning allows your culture to have respectability. When players went to New England, they knew it might not be as fun as they wanted, but they also saw it got results, so buying in was a reasonable trade-off.
I also don’t believe that Belichick is as inflexible and rigid as we perceive him to be. He’s an old grump who doesn’t emote outside vague disgust, but he’s always seemed good at understanding that when you grab a player, you find out what that player is best at, and you tailor his skillset to how you run the team. The McDaniels and Patricias seem to have coordinator ego brain. I’m the smartest guy in the room, therefore what I say is right and correct, and if it fails it is because you suck. These coaches try putting square players into round holes, playing them away from their talents, and then throw them under the bus. I think this approach works better for college, where NCAA restrictions and general youth and ignorance make players easy to mold. For the NFL? Many of these players are grown-ass men who are long time respected vets like Darius Slay. The Slay drama was pretty much every problem with Patricia personified.
So is Patricia the worst Belichick disciple? His main competition appears to be McDaniels or Bill O’Brien. McDaniels torpedoed Denver in much the same way, and BoB’s ending in Houston was practically a mutiny after his nonsense, but BoB did manage some actual success as a coach. Romeo Crennel has never done anything of note, Eric Mangini was terrible, Charlie Weis was terrible, and most of the other coaches that have done well are successes at the college level instead of the pros (Saban). Right now we got three still in the league, but all might be promising. Flores has genuinely turned the Dolphins around and gotten everyone to buy in the way Patricia never did. Vrabel has genuinely done great in Tennessee. Joe Judge is still very early on, but I like him more each game and he has the team fighting pretty hard despite the fact that we are generally devoid of talent. I think it means something when a bad team refuses to be an easy win for an opponent. The Giants are going down swinging.
Oh and to the Lions fans: be free. The bad man can’t hurt you anymore.
BoB isnโt the worst Belichick disciple. Honestly, heโs probably the best of BBโs tree ever, with Vrabel very close behind and Flores having nice potential
Patricia, McDaniels and Mangini were all easily worse than O’Brien. BoB is probably a step up from Cronell and Weiss too.
BoB the GM is the worst, BoB the coach is the best
Regarding Belichik being a grumpy, emotionless person – I may be wrong, but from snippets I’ve read about him here and there, I think it’s more of a public persona (especially when it comes to the media)designed to divulge as little information as possible to other teams and not what he’s shown players and staff. Hell, recall the NFL top 100 series, where he became actually … human… when he was discussing players and the history of the game unlike when he’s basically forced to endure the same generic questions while trying to divulge as little as possible about the team. Come to think of it, if he was such a hardass to players in NE (Cleveland is another story and I think he learned from his problems there) why aren’t there more players coming out with stories about him with only the likes of Cassius Marsh griping about him.
I absolutely agree. He shows up in clips on the Giants website or in their historical videos, back before he learned how to show his poker face.
Like this clip of him visiting Giants stadium right before it was demolished. He’s in tears. Which brings me to tears, too. *sniff* It’s so beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J6Ouwze7Tc
I’ve also been enjoying the hell out of his Subway videos. My theory is the guy knows he can’t execute his plans this year with covid, so he’s treating it like an extended preseason to evaluate talent, making funny commercials on the side, bidin’ his time until Biden brings us into a post-covid world with actual leadership. WOOO.
Or the rare occasions when a reporter asks a non-generic question (that he’s heard hundreds of times) especially about the history of the game and suddenly we go from monosyllabic non-answers to 10+ minute short histories of punt coverage schemes changes through the ages ๐
Honestly, I think the reason people tend to assume that he’s prickly is that he doesn’t present a public persona outside of those “press conferences at gunpoint” moments and the occasional ruthless roster move (though he’s doing those better these days compared to what I’ve read about his Cleveland days and even the first seasons with us), so people tend to assume that’s he’s just a football automaton. Speaking of which, I find it funny that not too many people are noticing the low amount of negative stories about him from former staff and players for a someone perceived to be a drill sergeant of a coach, especially compared to someone like Pete Carroll (who has a way more positive public image) that got roasted by basically the entire Legion of Boom among others on leaving Seattle, especially in the wake of XLIX …
Agreed. It helps that his poker face is just so good. He turns it on, and you just get NOTHING, not even a twitch. The casual fan who doesn’t see the behind-the-curtain stuff sees nothing but his curmudgeon face all the time, so it makes sense that he got the rep for it. I loved draft night when he just had his dog sitting at his laptop. That kind of thing just absolutely cracks me up, because you just know there are dozens of writers trying to decipher what it means, and he’s probably sitting off screen cackling to himself.
He has a well-deserved rep for getting the most out of his players, so yea, I can’t imagine many of them have much to complain about. “I will punish you on a daily basis, grind you into dust, and the result is that you will perform better than you EVER could somewhere else.” I’d sign up for that.
I think a lot of it is he’s really just monotone when he speaks. He’s not always a grumpy dude like you said he just doesn’t sound enthusiastic about anything ever. Even when you ask him about his time as a DC for the Giants he doesn’t get all excited about it, well not at a normal human level anyway.
Before the Dark Days, my night terrors focused on whether Pat Shurmur would flame out in the light of Patricia’s purported genius. I remember Patricia being heavily rumored as NYG’s 1st option, going w/ Shurmur only after being stood up at the alter. We sure won that debacle!
Also, I’m SHOCKED you’re coming around on Judge, Dave. Seems like yesterday you hated on him for muttering tough guy terminology. We may not win many games, but only ONCE this year were we out of it before late in the 4th – vs the 9ers. In a way, we’re like the Bizarro Patriots. They won by the thinnest of deli meat margins. We lose in similar fashion. THE DYNASTY BEGINS NOW!!!! *puts tinfoil on head*
“I canโt remember the last time so many players have openly rejoiced at a coach losing his job.”
Hue Jackson. I’ve never seen so many players tell tales out of school or directly criticize only the one coach after a head coach was fired. I don’t think Matty Patty would get hired on by a division rival at this point in the season, but could you picture anyone on the Lions snubbing him in the handshake line or handing him a game ball after an interception if he were with the Vikings?
New Jets HC…..You son of a bitch, I’m in!
Even better, imagine if the Lions poach Jim Harbaugh from Michigan and the players’ reward for their mutiny is getting a head coach who’s even more of a martinet.
“The McDaniels and Patricias seem to have coordinator ego brain.”
You couldn’t be more right about this, honestly. They both failed outside of New England for the exact same reasons. They’re egotistical assholes that think they’re far better than what they are because of the success of other people. Patricia’s defenses ranged from mediocre to downright abysmal (looking at you, 2011 and 2017) and the only reason why he was seen as a mastermind defensive coordinator is because of the adjustments Belichick would make to make up for how bad they were. Bend-don’t-break does not work unless you have a top 5 offense yearly and luckily, New England at least had that every year with Tom Brady. Notice how the defense significantly improved as soon as Patricia left. Went from 31st in 2017 to top 15 in 2018 to the best unit in the league in 2019. The dude is a complete hack, and it doesn’t take much more than seeing some his answers during interviews to figure out why he players hated him (I mean look at this shit https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2020/9/14/21435416/matt-patricia-tone-deaf-response-detroit-lions-4th-quarter-malcolm-butler, are you serious?). Of course he’s an engineer too, really not helping that stereotype at all.
I will say that I think Bill O’Brien gets a little too much flak. He wasn’t a bad coach, per se. Not great by any standards, but this is a guy that somehow made the playoffs with a QB room of Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallet (former Pats QBs lol), and Tom Savage stumbling around the rotation all season. I think people conflate his woeful resume as a GM with him being a bad coach. He had horrible game management at times, but the players genuinely liked and respected him for a long time, and it took things completely falling apart for him to really lose that locker room. I went back and rewatched Hard Knocks 2015, and I have to admit that if I were a player, I’d love to play for a dude like O’Brien. He’s far better than Josh McDaniels. Indianapolis dodged a huge bullet there.
“Josh McDaniels. Indianapolis dodged a huge bullet there”
Or they missed out on a game changer a-la the Jets around January 2000 as he could’ve learned from his mistakes in Denver (the same way Belichik from Cleveland). I think I remember some coverage (maybe in SI.combefore Peter King left) to that effect, where McD talked about his disastrous stint with Denver without trying to deflect the blame on his players/circumstances on others.
Now, Matty P was a shitshow waiting to get exposed, though and I’m surprised that someone fell for the tired “he’s a literal rocket scientist” shtick, when everyone could see that Belichik was spending game day doing damage control and in-game adjustments with the D (all the while McDaniels was left to more or less run the offense like a big boy without adult supervision) which isn’t a good sign ๐
I haven’t seen that interview so I’ll try to check it out and see his thoughts, but I see McDaniels as Adam Gase before Adam Gase was a meme. Gained a reputation through coaching an all-time great QB, then tried running a team without him and failed miserably. Only difference is that McDaniels ended up going back to said all-time great QB right at the end of his prime and rebuilt his reputation, while Gas floundered around aimlessly. I see the comparison with Belichick’s stint in Cleveland, but the difference there is that Belichick improved the team every year before bottoming out after the owner announced a move. They could have been better, yeah (only one playoff win with a team that was in 3 of the last 5 AFC Championships isn’t great), but going from 6-10 to 11-5 and playoff win in 4 years isn’t bad at all and nothing like what happened in Denver with McDaniels.
I totally agree on Patricia though. New England’s defenses were embarrassingly bad at times, to the point that Brady and McDaniels often had to carry much of the weight while Belichick figured something out behind the scenes to make the unit passable. Why Matt Patricia got all of the credit for Belichick’s doings, I will never know.
I was close, lol, it’s from a BR article referenced by SI – https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2666428-the-redemption-of-josh-mcdaniels-failure-taught-pats-oc-how-to-pick-his-spots – now, I do hope this is legitimate personal growth, but it can also be a PR campaign to get people to think about McD as a potential HC candidate again and overlook/ignore his Denver stint. For his sake I hope it’s the former (or at least mostly the former), but … well, you can draw your own conclusions ๐
Well, to be fair, I have a good friend that’s a Denver fan and he absolutely couldn’t stand McDaniels and still can’t right now, so my opinion of the guy is definitely colored. Not helping that his playcalling the last two seasons (especially this year) has been really lackluster. If he’s learned from past experiences, then he absolutely deserves another shot at coaching.
All good, since I can’t reply to your comment either looks like I’ll have a disjointed reply here, since I figured I’d ask this;
What would you think about Josh McDaniels taking over as Head Coach of the Patriots after Belichick retires? Obviously that’s pretty far down the line, but it was something that came up a fair bit after he decided to opt out of the Colts job.
Honestly, I think that’s probably how he got McDaniels to leave the Colts at the altar – they probably have a handshake agreement in place of him eventually replacing Bill (if he either retires or just switches just to being a GM) and probably a timetable of sorts of when that may happen. I’m definitely open to the idea of either him or Steve Belichik (if he’s earned it) to take the reigns eventually as they have more upside (and a better choice of maintaining stabilty) than an outside hire (which will probably clean house and … uhhh turn us into the jets for a year or two)
Btw, I was looking at some Reddit and Pats fan site conversations about how BB bypassed the “Will you bring back Matt back” question he got and it’s amusing how few people said anything good about him for someone who helped get us 2 rings – in fact, it was such a bloodbath that it’d appear that people are more open to getting BoB or Romeo Crennel instead of him in ANY capacity ๐
Yeah I think most Pats fans will tell you that they don’t want Matt Patricia within 50 miles of Gillette Stadium. I can’t even really respect the guy’s work because his brand of defense was just so bad. Bend-don’t-break doesn’t work at all and his only saving grace was that they (usually) held teams to field goals instead of TDs. But when that failed… man. I still get PTSD from that 2011 defense and I will never forgive him for wasting Brady’s performance in Super Bowl 52 (and his 2017 season in general).
Seems like Pats Reddit and Pats forums are giving Patricia the same treatment as his former players in Detroit, lmfao.
I’m not gonna defend Patricia, but if he was so bad/incompetent as DC that Belichick was always cleaning up after him, Belichick would have replaced him in a heartbeat.
Belichick did do that, though. There’s a reason why the Patriots bent over backwards to bring McDaniels back but let Patricia walk after 2017. I’m not high on McD either, but that says a lot about how they really felt about Patricia.
Plus I’d add the suspiciously stability despite transitioning from a long-term (supposed) defensive guru first to Brian Flores (de-facto, probably with “a lot” of help from Bill) to then DC by committee. Btw, since I can’t reply above about the being biased against McD – I’m biased too in the other direction, but as long as we’re both being able to have a normal discourse and be open to other people’s POV, we’re good ๐
Also, that conversation got me talking with my wife (an instant Giants fan ever since XLVI just to troll me) about how many coaching “busts” could’ve been like Belichik that got lost to time, because they landed on a team with a dysfunctional ownership willing to nuke staff after 1 bad year or couldn’t find that one QB that fits their system AND mentality
Sad that the lions are not a total shitshow this year
Remember when the Lions fired Caldwell, who for the Lions had the best winning percentage of a coach since the 50s and only winning record of a Lions coach since the 70s, and he was coming off of a 9-7 season, so they could get Patricia?
Good times for a Packers fan.
Not to defend Patricia, because he sucked, but the revisionist history on Caldwell is something. He had the team at mediocre, which is all he’s ever done on his own. Dude took over Dungy’s Colts and had 1 good year with them, then tanked. Same with the Ravens OC job. Great in year 1, disaster in year 2 once he put his own stamp on them. Having between Indy and Detroit most of his career, I was mystified how his legend ever grew to being anything more than a lesser Jeff Fisher.
You need to animate that last frame of them dancing synced up to the instrumental break from that song
do it
MATTY PATTY MATTY PATTY MATTY PATTY
Sorry to see him lose his cluelessly sunny disposition….
I feel like an idiot for asking but what are the lyrics in the speech bubbles a reference to?
Late response, but “Bad Guy” by Billie Eilish.
I generally tend not to predict how new HCs will fare, in large part because I usually don’t pay attention to other teams assistant coaches to have an opinion about them, but Patricia was always a headscratcher for me. Yeah, he oversaw SB winning defenses (as he made sure to take credit for Malcolm Butler’s int earlier this season), but in 2017, his last season with the Pats, it sure felt like they made to the SB despite his defense, not because of it. I could never see what the Lions found on him that led them to believe he was the guy to take them to the next level.
1. Sorry this is late my apologies
2. Thankyou for your gratitude and gratulations(if that’s a word)
3. Romeo Crennel did do something… Before this year, he was the last head coach to bring the Brown to a winning record.
4. Please Robert Saleh please for the love of GOD
5. Hey Dave, I know this won’t happen, but, what if the Giants win their Wild Card game? What kind of feelings will you have? I mean, every losing division winner has gone on to win their Wild Card game since there were 32 teams in the league.