I Miss Jerry Reese
I never thought I’d miss Jerry Reese this much. I was okay with parting with him back when we did, and I was actually happy about hiring David Gettleman. Jerry had his issues and he was terrible at giving us depth. But he made a lot of good moves that have been forgotten about. We won the 2011 super bowl in large part due to his drafting and his free agency. We were a bit skeptical of the OBJ pick when it happened but that was incredible in hindsight. His spending spree for Jenkins, Snacks, Vernon, etc also initially paid off and helped us reach the playoffs. Jerry wasn’t the best, but he was better than this.
fuck
Every move David Gettleman makes causes him to look even dumber. This was me yesterday:
https://local.theonion.com/man-who-thought-hed-lost-all-hope-loses-last-additional-1819565674
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— Dave Rappoccio (@DrawPlayDave) April 26, 2019
-He drafted a stud running back despite being in dire need of a future QB. We stuck him on a bad offensive line.
-He let both our pass rushers go. JPP’s time was probably up, but Vernon was still productive in the run game. His health was an issue and he didn’t get as many sacks as I would have wanted, plus the contract, but we got a good return for him in a quality OL.
-He let Snacks go because…we drafted BJ Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson and both we doing okay? If we were okay with those two, why did we spend our first rounder from the OBJ trade on another DT, especially when we have no pass rushers? Now we have a stout middle and nothing on the edges, instead of a slightly less stout middle and something on the edges.
-He let our stud safety walk, then replaced him with a younger, cheaper, worse safety overall.
-He drafted Saquon instead of a future QB with the idea that this team was still close to competitive, meaning he didn’t actually see all the problems with the roster. Just stick a stud next to Eli and it’ll work out. It didn’t. When it became clear that wasn’t going to happen roughly a quarter into the season, he began to blow everything up. Ship off the DE. Ship off the star WR. But he….kept Eli? And then spent a top 10 pick on Daniel Jones? FUCK. We could have had Haskins or Josh Allen and I don’t think anyone would have been too unhappy about that. If Haskins and Jones were gone by 17, we could have probably traded for Josh Rosen with the 17th pick since the Cardinals are also absolute morons. Instead we got a huge reach and a nose tackle we didn’t need.
-He traded up into the first round again and made a pretty good pick I guess.
When we stuck with Eli I was willing to forgive him. When we drafted Saquon I thought the criticism was a bit unfair because while it was a poor pick for positional value, he was clearly a star and there is no guarantee Darnold etc work out. The Vernon trade made me happy. When we traded OBJ after paying the man I lost faith that Gettleman was smart, but if his plan was to destroy everything and rebuild up at least I could see what his vision for that was. Now I have a clearer picture of what his vision is, and I kinda just don’t want to watch football next year. He’s destroying the team and I may as well just tune out till he gets inevitably fired as we spend years in a hole.
I feel bad for Pat Shurmur. I actually liked that hire and I think he did good stuff with the team last year. But he’s stuck coaching a dumpster now and his career may never recover after he inevitably takes a lot of blame.
Fuck David Gettleman
Daniel Jones was the worst pick of the first rd based on value at the pick and based on many scout rankings. If they liked Jones so much it was almost a guarantee he would still be around for the second first rd pick. I feel your pain
I feel okay about our draft, I really dont like the Haskins pick but I think trading up for Sweat was a shrewd move. Haskins though…I know I should be excited but I also know we can’t have nice things. He’s gonna bust so hard.
If it’s any hope, my wife was distraught when good solid Alex Smith was ditched for Mahomes. Maybe the pros know something? (Probly not in THIS case but ya never know….)
P.S. I *still* laugh every time i get redirected to “we like pee pee and doo doo”
We started calling him Gettlefarmer as a joke, but after reading your list a few times, there are almost exact parallels between this and the Browns’ 2014 offseason at every step in the progression. He really is Gettlefarmer.
why do you own a blunderbuss
That’s a flintlock. Blunderbusses are big shotgunlike weapons.
In case a rabid Pat’s fan wonders into his home late at night. He lives in a blue state so owning a blunderbuss allows him to bear arms without anyone judging him.
Well he’s in Oregon, IIRC Oregon is a pretty lenient state regarding arms, shall issue Concealed Carry, no AR ban, no magazine restrictions. But that might not last.
i aint judging him for that. i’m judging him for the fake grapes. is he at his elderly aunt’s house? the one with soap that’s for display only?
Daniel Jones…. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAhAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
(Breeeeeattthhh) HAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If he was booed by New York fans on draft day then I wouldn’t be surprised if Daniel Jones turns out to be a star and then winds up being traded ala Porzingis
But wait! It gets worse!
As a Panthers fan, don’t do it Dave. It’ll get better. All it takes is Mara being forced to sell the team for being a dirty old man, then he’ll fire Gettleman to “salvage his legacy” or something, then sell to a minority Steelers owner (hopefully without a self-indulgent statue).
I mean, lightning can strike twice, right?
dont worry you could be a bengals fan and be stuck with Andy Dalton for the rest of time. Seriously how did Zac Taylor of all people pass on Haskins?
Watch the Browns instead! Even if they suck again it will probably be entertaining. At a minimumtthey’ll embarrass the Bengals twice and probably crush one good team late in the season, ruining the playoff hopes of a major metropolitan area. Odds are really good for a winning season. Heck, with this roster you could watch the first playoff games of what could be the next great NFL dynasty.
Giants fan from Russia here, honestly can’t figure why is everybody (especially you Dave) bitching so much about Gettlemen. This is some very, very narrow and biased thinking.
1) Gettlemen was scout&executive with Giants since ’98, taking part in the building of 3 SB teams, so he obviously does know thing or two about both Reese and Accorsi philosophy. However, he has his own perspective on this team and he obviously has some sort of vision. Now, as a fans, do we trust him and his vision? That’s a question to ask and a theme to discuss, but I firmly disagree with his portrayal as a clueless idiot, especially throwing into the consideration his previous record.
2) Gettlemen has a very good record with Carolina. This team didn’t make playoffs 4 years before him; made playoffs 3 out of 4 seasons with him (including 15-1 SB season).
3) Gettlemen produced a very solid draft for us last year, but everybody just shruggs it off now and somehow he is an idiot.
4) Reese wasn’t a good GM at all. His drafting was very questionable at best. 2 superbowls obviously carries him a lot, but both of them are products of extreme luck; if you take those two seasons out of the picture, this guy made a lot of dumb stuff over the years, and team production wasn’t there most of the time. Now, comparing him to Gettlemen after year 1 and not giving Gettlemen a chance is just unfair to both the man and the organization.
5) All picks other than Jones so far are solid this year.
Jones pick is a question mark for now, but after due diligence I should say it has a lot of sense to it. There is enough of valid points for that pick. Everybody is comparing him to Haskins, but I can easily name a bunch of top-drafted QBs over the years everybody (fans included) felt comfortable about, with end result being subpar. Scouting franchise QBs is a really complicated science and you can’t say anything until both Haskins and Jones hit the field. It has more to it than traditional evaluation and numbers, especially compared to other positions. Let’s wait and see.
I do also completely agree with us reaching him at #6: if management believes in him being The Guy, risking letting 10 more picks pass to add some additional draft value would be a poor decision.
It would be also worth mentioning that I am comfortable with OBJ departure as well as other moves, but this comment is already too long to discuss it.
Concluding my little speech — I’ve been reading all the fans reaction nonsense for a while now and just wanted to express myself somewhere — I want to say that I am, as your constant reader, a little disappointed in you Dave. I understand what the nature of sports is and why most of the fans act like romans in the Colosseum: cheering their favorites when they do good, completely trashing them the second after, almost to the point of fanatic rage, when they do bad. But you, man, can do better than that. As a fellow Gians fan I understand the pain, but being mean and biased to your own team is just unworthy of you.
Don’t pull some “Disappointed Dad” shit when I was defending Gettleman through the Saquon pick all year and had faith in the guy until he traded away the best player on the roster after we paid him. Everyone has been dunking on the guy since Saquon but I was willing to give him a chance. I hated the OBJ trade, and yet I was still curious to see how he’d build the team. Then he picked the noodle arm from Duke at PICK #6 yeah, he’s stuck in the past and this team will not improve thanks to him. The Giants are the laughing stock of the league right now after that pick. Last year he could have had Darnold, Allen, Rosen, or Jackson but passed on a QB for the best player available. This year, with far better players on the board, he drafts the biggest reach of QBs…at pick #6.
I’m starting to understand why so many Carolina fans have come to me saying “I’m sorry, I understand”, despite all the “success” they had with him. His drafts weren’t very good and were mostly due to a weak division and Cam, who wasn’t his pick.
I do not owe my team loyalty and I am under no obligation to be nice to them just because I follow them. If a team fucks up, I can feel whatever I want. There is always a chance this works out in the end and if it does I’ll happily admit I was wrong. But I’m not going to defend a guy making moves I disagree with just because he works for the team I root for. That’s stupid.
He’s just a russian troll Dave, don’t worry >)
> Don’t pull some “Disappointed Dad” shit
I am not judging your morals or ethics. This kind of tantrums right after the draft just isn’t cool in my honest personal opinion.
> The Giants are the laughing stock of the league right now after that pick.
They sure will be if team and Jones sucks. But not yet
> I do not owe my team loyalty and I am under no obligation to be nice to them just because I follow them. If a team fucks up, I can feel whatever I want. There is always a chance this works out in the end and if it does I’ll happily admit I was wrong. But I’m not going to defend a guy making moves I disagree with just because he works for the team I root for. That’s stupid.
Agreed on all counts. However, I never spoke about an obligation to defend anyone or not to voice your opinion. It is just that “fuck Dave Gettleman” isn’t particulary smart way to put it, while I perceive you as a smart person and find your usual analysis and opinions interesting.
Anyway, that’s just the way I see it from the russian troll perspective.
“I want to say that I am, as your constant reader, a little disappointed in you Dave. ”
That’s some disappointed dad shit
“They sure will be if team and Jones sucks. But not yet”
Have you not read any draft analysis? Everyone everywhere is laughing at the Giants. The rest of the picks don’t even matter because he messed up the important one. At this point, people will only stop laughing at the Giants if Jones works out. We may not even find that out till next year.
To be fair, judging drafts right away is generally unwise, especially based on the ‘conventional wisdom’ of the crowd (see: Wilson, Russell).
Not that there’s anything the team could have done to predict or prevent this, but when your best draft pick gets shot the day after the draft it’s another bad sign for your prospects going forward.
I gotta say, as disappointing as the Giants have been the last few years, I’m equally embarrassed by the Giants fanbase right now. With so many armchair experts following the *flawless* draft analysis, I guess I just didn’t realize Daniel’s career had already ended in flames while Dwayne Haskins and Sam Darnold have been making sweet sweet love atop their combined 27 Super Bowl MVP trophies.
Hysterical melodrama is the mark of the Jets fan, Dave. Snap out of it. *SLAP*
Well, call it how you want, I suggested that constructive feedback from the people who read you can be somewhat relevant to you. It’s not like I am going to stop enjoying your content anyway, so you can do whatever, I guess.
Regarding Jones, I’ve actually went through ton of draft analysis after Jones pick happened, and there is not one, not two but plenty of analysts that either are neutral or like this pick. Opinions on him a pretty polarized, but if you look beyond yelling jerks on ESPN etc., they are generally neutral. It is more like “I don’t personally like the pick, but I understand the Giants logic”, rather than “Giants are the laughing stock of the NFL”.
I’ve also looked into his film extensively afterwards out of curiosity, and I am not a talent evaluator by any means, but I, too, can understand what Giants could possibly see in him. I mean, he went through hell in Duke with the people he had around him and looked solid, he really did. He was pressured all the time, his receivers dropped 10% of his passes.
Look up his film versus Clemson this season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGtHImCfh-E, he was basically playing alone against arguably best defence in the country, and looked good. I was pacticulary impressed by the play on 2:17 (needless to say it was dropped).
I mean, I have no idea if he ever plays good in the NFL. And he is not perfect, nor is he flashy or spectacular to watch. But man, trashing Giants management at this point in time because of this pick is just a blind act of rage.
I still think the Saquon pick was the right pick for them THEN. Like Dallas, regardless of what anyone thinks, Zeke makes that offense work. Daniel Jones though? Seriously, what the hell? If that’s a second round pick, then ok. Grier was availble in the second as were other very good options. Jones wasn’t successful at FUCKING DUKE!!!!! Sorry. But you get my point. Eli with a bomb pop back there pick whispering to Gettleman like he’s some prophet of God. Ugh. Haskins was a better pick at QB IMO because he looks like this drafts Deshaun Watson. But hell, let’s suck is the message Getts wants to send. Poor Shurmur. Sucks to be him really.
Gettleman did not have a “very good record” with the panthers, as a Panthers fan, he was very hit and miss. A couple drafts he had were very good, he took Cmac his last year, and a few years before he got some good DTs in Lotulelei and Short. Other years, he took Big Fat Kelvin Benjamin, a DT who hasn’t started in 3 years, and a couple of CBs who, quite frankly, were a big reason carolina’s defense took a step back last year. Gettleman inherited several key contributers to carolina’s success, the 2 biggest reasons being Cam Newton and Luke Kuechley.
Roster-wise, Gettleman did more bad that good. He let go beloved WR Steve Smith, who went on to still be productive in baltimore, even more glaring considering how dire our WR corps was for the following years. Devin Funchess? Really? He let go Deangelo Williams, who went on to be productive in Pittsburgh. He didn’t want to re-sign Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen, and olsen has been our only reliable receiving target for YEARS. Hurney, the guy who he replaced and then was replaced by, immediately came in and signed Eric Reid where gettleman didn’t want to for…reasons? Not money reasons that for damn sure On the plus side, he did release Josh Norman after his pro bowl year which proved in time to be the right decision, he re-signed Julius peppers who was good for a while, and he did get Captain Munnerlyn. But basically, the point is that while gettleman may have made SOME contribution to that panthers run, he was not the main reason for it.
Oh, also did I mention that one of those 3 straight playoff appearances was as a 7-8-1 team? That’s not a good team.
Thanks for the response, I never really followed Panthers and was judging his run with your team only by the winning record. I guess your opinion on him is much more objective and fact-based than mine. Basically my point is to give him a chance (like at least one more season or two, maybe?), trashing and insulting the guy at this point is not the greatest type of behaviour.
However, if the team does really turn into the dumpster fire as Dave projects, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.
wow, I never thought, as a Browns fan, that I’d feel bad for Shurmur, and yet here we are…
Can I thumbs up this?
I mean you could always pull a Linval Joseph and move your alliance to the Vikings! We have an O-Line now!
Spencer, I love your optimism but when have the Vikings ever had a functional O-line? That has always been our Achilles’ heel and I don’t see that changing in the near future, even after the draft.
Over/Under
Eli gets 50 sacks this season.
makes the HOF as an edge rusher
My two take aways from the draft:
If you squint your eyes Daniel Jones looks like he could be Eli’s son.
The double Josh Allen almost became a reality. Now I can only hope that we get a double turnover only involving Josh Allen’s every Bills-Jags game.
Best player to never win the defensive player of the year award?
The Giants select…..Daniel Jones1. Giants proceed to have the kind of reaction that made me young children look at me like I’d lost my mind when the Titans picked Jake Locker……….I knew him, but my actual reaction was “WHO THE F*^% IS JAKE LOCKER? WHAT THE F(*^$&* HELL?”
come to the bills we will take you with open arms
Wasn’t Gettleman the guy who gave D’angello Williams and Jonathan Stewart monster contracts? Giving 2 running backs big contracts at the same time shoulda disqualified him from ever being a GM again.
As a Chargers fan I’ve waited 10 years for a decent offensive line or big name WR prospect for Rivers and still haven’t gotten one. Outside of Mike Williams and DJ Fluker, the Chargers have drafted no Offensive linemen or wide receivers in the first or second rounds that have played meaningful snaps. Keenan Allen was a 3rd rounder and every receiver Rivers has thrown to the last 6 years has been an undrafted free agent rookie or a mid career washout from another team. Every year its the same thing. Draft one or two good players and the rest sit on the practice squad or get released within 2 years. The average team retains nearly 60% of their drafted players through 3 years. Chargers? 42%
I think I figured it out. Daniel Jones is actually Eli’s bastard son. That’s why the Giants had to draft him; to ruin his career, ensuring he falls in obscurity to keep the scandal on the low low.
Daniel Jones looks like he’s the actor they hired to play Eli Manning in a movie about Peyton Manning’s life
Two good drafts for Gettleman. Jones looked good last season minus the fumble problems, definitely looks better than Haskins or Josh Allen at the least. Trading OBJ was a great move. This comic/rant was a cold take.