Dick in Disguise
So…this Richie Incognito thing. Huh. This was sorta outta nowhere.
First off: Richie Incognito is a total jerk, and has been his entire career. He’s now officially assholed his way off two teams. He is a dirty player and has been for years. I have no sympathy whatsoever for Richie Incognito. Truly the most Offensive lineman. A bully who needs a good punch in his meaty face. Probably two.
But something just tells me all the players are going to come to his side. Because I think what he was doing and saying to Jon Martin is typical of an NFL locker room. While normal society folk like you and me may cringe and be taken aback by Richie’s liberal use of racial slurs…I wonder about them. This is just a hunch, but something tells me racial slurs are pretty common in NFL locker rooms. They might be common enough that they are used almost as terms of affection, like bro. An NFL locker room is not a PC place, and it is far from mature. Many of these people have had life handed to them and never had to grow up. Hazing…pranks…it’s all part of the culture. I fear many players may feel what Richie did was normal, and will defend him on it. I fear Martin may end up shunned by his teammates, and any future teammates, simply because he didn’t want to put up with Incognito’s behavior. Look at the comments on the web before Incognito’s N-bombs dropped. Tons of people were calling Martin a wuss. Strahan said in his book that “if you can’t take a joke, we don’t want you on our team”. Remember when Prince Amukamara got ice tubbed by JPP and it was filmed? JPP got all apologetic about it and said he’d never do such a thing again and it was his first time. But when you watched that video, you knew they weren’t sorry for it, they were sorry they got caught. They were sorry they’d have to keep it low key for a few days.
I’m by and large a proponent for players being allowed to do things. I hate the stringent rules against personality that the NFL tries to force upon players. I’m okay with hazing, to an extent. I don’t think it should come to bodily harm or emotional abuse, like in Martin’s case. Harmless pranks like saran wrapping a car or making the rookies carry equipment, or giving people bad haircuts like Tim Tebow’s. For the most part, I’m okay with shenanigans. In some respects, I think Martin was kind of thin skinned. I severely doubt he’s the first to deal with such harassment.
However, he should not be punished or hated because he took a stand against his harrasser. If he is bothered by the actions of his teammates, he should be able to speak up without fear of being called a wuss and shunned by teammates. His boundaries should be respected. Some people just don’t gel with that kind of mentality. But look at what Martin had to do to get attention on this: he had to go AWOL from the team and let the surrounding controversy bring Incognito’s actions to light. He clearly could not get respect on the issue from the coaching staff or anyone else. Philbin feigned ignorance in his press conference, but I assure you there is no way the coaches didn’t know about this the whole time.
It’s all fun and games but boundaries should absolutely be respected. I hope Martin doesn’t get shunned for taking a stand.
There’s standard NFL locker room hazing, and there’s the messages Incognito left Martin – saying he was going to kill him, calling him a half-n***** etc etc. This is way beyond hazing. This is despicable behaviour by a despicable human, whatever way you slice it.
Could not agree more.
Richie Incognito: A Guy who never learns, period, even after getting punished.
During college, he was kicked off from Nebraska Cornhuskers football team, for the same thing: Conduct detrimental to the team. The specifics are unknown, but most likely, the same thing that is happening right now.
When he was with the Rams, he always clashed with the fans, and causing numerous problems within the team (which became very evident during the game against the Tennessee Titans in 2009, two 15-yard personal foul penalties and fighting with Coach Spagnuolo at the sideline). In addition, in 2007, when he was supposed to be rehabilitating from knee injury, he was partying ALL NIGHT.
Getting cut by the Rams should have been a wake up call for Incognito, but nope. This kid NEVER LEARNS…. We thought he learned his lesson when he was awarded Good Guy Award last year, and the interview this year that was posted on NFL’s website that had Incognito coming clean with past problem. (which seems to be gone sadly).
And now, this. An incident I feel was 100% avoidable had the Dolphins paid full attention to Incognito’s past. But they didn’t, and signed him, and now, the whole team is paying the full price, in addition to the struggles on the field itself!
I feel that the blame for this is fiasco is not only toward Incognito, but also the whole Dolphins organization. They are the ones who is supposed to maintain a healthy atmosphere in the locker room by providing full support to players who feel that they are being mistreated by their fellow peers. Instead, THEY CHOSE TO F-ING IGNORE IT, TELLING THE PLAYER TO GROW UP….. And from the sound of all the press reports, and accounts from other people outside the organization, even Joe Philbin, the coach didn’t know that this was going. In fact, he probably let this thing go, as a way for Martin to get used to it. If that’s the case, Philbin is just as horrible of a monster that is Schiano, and he should be fired as well.
I’m afraid this saga is going to end ugly in the end one way or another. In my opinion, this is just as bad as Spygate or Bountygate. NFL will probably end up fining the organization, as well as suspending key people in the Dolphins organization as a way to send a message that this type of behavior is absolutely forbidden in what is supposedly a professional league, not a amateur little league.
I agree – a lot of this blame lies on the organisation. There’s no way they didn’t know what was going on.
Hey you zero percent n***** you think your fucking comic is funny, I’m going to fuck your parents, i’ll kill you you fat piece of shit
BUT BUT I’M SKINNY
Here’s the thing though, if Richie did do that to a fan, they can file charges with the police. I wonder why Martin have not done that, because threats alone I feel are criminal enough.
My whole problem with all this (without defending Rich) is that in a locker room, or at any place with a bunch of guys working together, there are some crass, rude, raciial, mean spirited and emotionally misguided things that are said in jest all the time. If people heard the way my co-workers speak to each other as an outsider, they would think it was a very hostile workplace. From the personal threats, yo momma jokes, ethnic and racial slurs and on and on, it can get pretty rough sounding, but it is all in good fun and no one takes it too seriously. When I read the transcripts of what Richie said in his email, I burst out laughing, it was funny, yes it was FUNNY. none of it was serious.
the other thing that bothers me is that these are grown men and you have one crying about being bullied as if he is an eight year old girl. I don’t buy it. stand up for yourself and tell that punk incognito to step off. There is NO WAY someone is going to extort a vegas trip from my pocketbook. Be a man.
go fuck yourself
come on man, really?
Wow, you sound super fun to hang out with. I’ll give you a call next time I feel like hangin with an unfunny, insensitive asshole.
I would never hang out with a sensitive mattress humping friendless Magic the Gathering playing wuss like you anyway.
what do you do with your friends, assuming that you have any besides the ones on XBox live and facebook, play respect my feelings? positive affirmation group therapy? Trust Fall?
I want to sign you up for a Tosh.0 insult session. And if you have EVER watched that show and Laughed ONE TINY BIT, you are a hypocritical douche.
http://deadspin.com/oregon-fan-really-really-didnt-like-the-ducks-wearing-1449372343
You weren’t by any chance the guy who called this in, were you?
No, pink is one of my favorite colors.
“the other thing that bothers me is that these are grown men and you have one crying about being bullied as if he is an eight year old girl. I don’t buy it. stand up for yourself and tell that punk incognito to step off. Be a man.”
Yes, the “manly” thing to do would be to break a chair over Incognito’s head because you don’t stand for that shit. Oh wait, that’s assault; you’re going to prison.
Or, get into a fistfight with the guy. Violence solves problems, you know! They never label black men (or half-n*****s, in this case) as instigators. Just exchange blows and your antagonizers will leave you alone, because as everyone knows bullies are emotionally static, entirely predictable and absolutely logical entities.
I never said assault the guy. If he comes to me and says give me $15k, I say no. I do not know if there was an or else attached to it. But I would say no, and what are you going to do about it? How are you going to make me give you $15k?
As for the message, like you have NEVER said some bullshit to someome in jest that could be taken out of context? Like for example… drink that beer you pu$$y. Do you need a nipple for it? Anyone ever watch White Men Can’t Jump? The basketball court insult scene with the yo momma jokes and all that? This stuff happens, sometimes it goes too far and gets personal and feelings get hurt, but it doesn’t mean that it should be taken literally. Many times in the heat of the momemt in a flash of anger you may have said you were going to “kill” someone, but didn’t ACTUALLY MEAN YOU WERE GOING TO MURDER THEM.
The “Manly thing to do” would be to say “No, I am not going to give you any money. Leave me alone. Don’t talk to me like that, I don’t like it.” As I tell my children, yes I have kids, use your words, express your feelings. And NO, I do NOT tolerate the behaviour it may seem like I am defending here, that kind of talk is not permitted, my kids have manners, talk politely, say please and thank you.
I am simply saying that people need to be able to communicate properly and say whether or not they want to participate in “Locker room” talk. Richie is an immature asshole, no question, but did he break the law? YUP, extortion is the word I am not hearing in the news reports. I don’t care what he said, I am more concerned with how he got the money.
So two questions:
1) Why has no one in the NFL come out as gay yet? Is the NFL just a collection of 3000 massively heterosexual specimens in peak athletic and aesthetic condition? Or would a gay nickelback corner look at a situation like this, and how Martin is being treated here, and just decide, you know, the closet isn’t such a bad place to be after all?
2) If Jonathan Martin were gay…this would be bigger than the steroid scandal for baseball. Extorted for $15,000? People usually extort you when they have something on you. Think about the aesthetics of a proven thug and mentally bankrupt meathead shaking down a quiet, reserved, Stanford-attending minority for thousands of dollars by threatening to reveal his little secret. Oh, and the litany of ex-players and current players running to Incognito’s defense. That’ll help the image.
I do not think Jonathan Martin is gay. However, I can see this exact same situation panning out in whichever locker room happens to have a closeted or suspected-closeted (as we all know from college and high school, gay until proven not gay) teammate.
Roger Goddell should be thanking Jonathan Martin with every spare breath he has. If something like a violent hate crime (beating up or abusing a gay teammate) or, even worse, suicide of a gay teammate happened…adios, NFL. The NSA wouldn’t have shit on the invasiveness Goddell would institute into the locker rooms and meeting spaces. No siree.
2 answers:
1) no one has come out because these are over-sized 12 year olds (mentally). Being in the closet is still the safest place around the animals that play football.
2) No question there really, but I agree with you, the extortion aspect is more disturbing than what he said.
So…#1 refutes your original statement that these are grown men? How is Martin supposed to be a man about it if everyone else (and, technically, him included) is an over-sized 12 year old?
it’s the reality of life, just because they are grown men doesn’t mean they act like civilized adults. Martin claims to be an intellectual, yet couldn’t figure out how to deal with this without running home to mommy.
“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Dude, you’re a Giants fan and in no position to call anyone stupid.
and that is a stupid ass quote from one of the most childish movies ever.
you laugh at that yet think richie was serious.
you all need to go eat some shit.
Calling someone a half-N word is one thing, but saying he will shit in his mouth is crossing the line.
Oh, and which line does blatant racism cross for you, eh?
ever watch Full Metal Jacket?
some of the best insults EVER in there.
I will gouge out your eyes and skull fuck you, or, I will rip off your head and shit down your neck. I can barely think about it without laughing.
Ever watch South Park and laugh when they insult Cartman about being fat? Is that OK?
grow a sense of humour.
“I will gouge out your eyes and skull fuck you, or, I will rip off your head and shit down your neck. I can barely think about it without laughing.”
You need help…
Incognito thought that Ndamukong Suh had finally taken over the mantle of Official League Asshole, and felt he could revert to his usual disgusting type. He’s a sheet stain.
As a Dolphin, I hope that the vile waste of blood and organs never plays a single down again for anyone, never mind Miami.
Incognito never stomped a guy in the nuts as he lay on the ground after a play did he?
No but Incognito has is still worse.
Admiral Halsey
No but Incognito has is still worse.
What?
has is still worse?
so you would rather get stomped in the nuts than have someone say they are going to shit in your mouth?
you know, some people pay good money to have someone do both of those things to them.
This guy has to be the biggest ass in the NFL-no, in professional sports. Screw Matt Cooke of the NHL, Incognito has taken his mantle as biggest ass sportsman. Incognito. That’s where he certainly should go, without making a bad pun of it.
A bigger asshole than Matt Cooke? That sounds like Hall of Fame material.
I seriously believe Richie Incognito crossed the line with all this. What dissappoints me even more is the lack of support the whole organization has shown for Jonathan Martin. I hope he comes to Pittsburgh, a great organization with a zero-tolerance conductual policy. Besides, we are needful of an OT. Whichever way it goes, I hope Incognito is fined, suspended and cut by the Dolphins, and Martin has a great NFL career and destroys the Dolphins once he is out of there.
lmao where the sports alamanic biff