Christian Hackenberg Gets His Shot In Philly
So like, a month or two ago I made basically this same joke after the Hack got traded and cut by the Raiders. I sat back and waited, because I knew what would happen. I was waiting for that guy to show up. Show up he did, not too much later that day.
And I quote:
Dude, you are STILL throwing shade at the Hacks. I figure you would have dropped it after all this time. The NFL just does not understand him, he is a QB ahead of his time. The Jets did not know what they had. Raiders got a bargain and they just squandered it. Sure, Hack might not have immediately replaced Carr, but this very well could have turned into a Bledsoe to Brady situation if the Raiders held onto him.
Being mis-understood is not the same thing as being bad.
Lmao
Christian Hackenberg found a job (at least until I assume the Eagles cut him before the season starts) and his first two passes as an Eagle were both interceptions. But there are still folks who think he’s actually an NFL ready gem of a QB who would do great if given the chance. I saw it with Tebow. I saw it with a lot of players who some fans just have that irrational blindness for. I understand why Penn State fans would want to defend the Hackster. He helped drag that team out of the dumpster they were banished to after the Sandusky scandal. He might be a genuinely great dude. Loyalty means a lot, especially to college fans who are basically brainwashed and hardwired to defend anything about their school to the death. Penn State fans already have a reputation for defending certain individuals to a…lets call it unnecessary level.
But in regards to Hackerberg defenders I’m gonna dredge up an argument I used against Tebow turds back when that was still a thing. The most common argument I hear for players like Tebow, or Hackenberg, is the “Well if they gave him a proper chance he’d be great” argument. It’s the classic hypothetical that makes it sound like their precious player was victimized. Here’s the issue I have with this argument:
You could basically say this about every player who has ever existed.
I fully believe that every player drafted or undrafted could succeed in the NFL if they were given the correct situation. I think Tebow could have been great, if given the attention and structure required. It’s pretty easy to build around someone in college like Florida did with Tebow. Everyone could succeed if placed within a system that suited them, surrounded by talent, coached well, etc. Even Christian Hackenberg. The problem is this simply will not happen for 99% of players. There’s no telling how many great players we may have missed out on simply because they got drafted into a spot that wasn’t the right fit, where things went wrong. A lot of greatness requires luck just as much as hard work or talent. Imagine Tom Brady got drafted onto the Browns or Belichick traded him somewhere, or Bledsoe stayed healthy. Who knows if we’d even know his name. It’s easy to say he’s so great of course we would have, but it really isn’t that simple. Brady worked his ass off to earn that spot, but he still got very lucky in the process.
So yeah, Hackenberg could have been great if given the correct opportunity. But getting to that correct opportunity would not be worth the investment, and there’s no guarantee Hack would have succeeded anyway even if the teams did put the effort in.
The problem is building a team is very hard and catering to every player to make that player succeed is basically impossible. A coach would have to commit to keeping Hackenberg around and make sure to develop him, to surround him with talent that fits his skill set. The coach would have to not get fired while making this work. Who knows how long it would take to properly build around Hacks to a point where he would be successful. At some point, the player themselves needs to prove that they are worth investing in. Players who can fit in different systems with ease are going to be more valuable than players who fit a specific system. So far, Christian Hackenberg has not proven he’s worth the investment. He was not all that great in college. He never saw a regular season snap for the horrifically QB-starved Jets. The Raiders didn’t even bother to check him out, even though he seems like a total Gruden Grinder guy to me. The Eagles picked him up likely as a camp body to fill in with Nick Foles dealing with a slight neck issue and Wentz still being watched after his ACL tear. I assume he’ll be cut and probably find his way onto a practice squad somewhere. Christian Hackenberg has not proven to anyone who’s literal job it is to evaluate players that he is worth the kind of investment some Penn State nutters think he should get. Hackenberg has to prove he’s worth that, he doesn’t deserve it just because you like him. Hackenberg isn’t getting screwed over or misjudged any more than most players are. It’s just the nature of the beast when you’re dealing with a win-now league filled with the top 1% of football talent in the world.
*sits back and waits*
My personal belief is that coaching staff, office structure, and system have the biggest impact on a QB. You can a take a QB with less talent and win if the office is built right, if the coach plays the team to their strengths to minimalize their weaknesses, and if the system is designed in a way for said QB to succeed. I honestly believe that Tebow (go ahead and destroy me for this) could have been an average to maybe, possible good NFL QB with right coach and system. Finding that perfect match is really hard though. Hackenberg………dude has HACK in his name. You honestly cannot expect much from that. But with that said, He did come in late and isn’t entirely up to speed with the team. So maybe he could be a decent backup? A starter though? Ahead of his time? Yes….yes he is ahead of his time. The XFL is still a few years off……..
YOU’LL SEE
YOU’LL ALL SEE
What are we talking about again?
Penn State fans are idiots – Sincerely an Ohio State fan
It even used to be that if you say one negative thing about Paterno, they’ll try to hunt you down and lynch you. Then 2009 happened.
They still don’t care. They defend Paterno like he was Jesus. “You dont have all the facts!!!!”
I get all you’re saying, but the guy was drafted by the Jets. The flipping JETS. He should get a legit chance based on that alone.
He was on a team with Bryce Petty and Geno Smith but never saw a snap
Like how big a red flag could you need
He was on the Jets with Geno and Petty. The fact that it’s the Jets negates everything else. The Jets bungle QBs like no one’s business.
The Cleveland Browns would like to speak with you about that…..
The Browns bungle every position like the Jets bungle quarterbacks
He was on the 2016 Jets. A team that was trying to get rid of ‘one game, 6 INTs’ Fitztragic from the lineup because he was fighting with Bowles all the time, but just couldn’t because besides him they only had a Geno Smith that died in a single quarter and a Bryce Petty who got devoured by Suh to end his season.
And he still didn’t get to see a snap despite the QB carousel they had there. Not even in the ‘**** this, let’s throw the rookie in and see what he can do, this season’s toast already’ way.
If the fact that even a QB instability situation that was up to being borderline volatile didn’t want him isn’t damning enough for Hack, I don’t know what is.
QBs don’t magically get more accurate in a harder league.
Should…someone tell Buffalo about this…?
The last panel can be about Tebow and it’d still be the same thing.
And like with Tebow, in the right right system, with the right coach and team, they could be mildly successful as possibly a serviceable backup.
Maybe, but his fans would claim that he could have been great however…then they would claim that he was being persecuted for being a Christian. I dunno if I want to believe that people can be that retarded despite reading many comments sections like in Youtube and Yahoo Sports.
any time someone claims someone’s being persecuted for being a xian, i wanna be like “YOU WANNA SEE PERSECUTION? BRING YOUR CHURCH GROUP, AND I’LL BRING THE LIONS.”
Honestly you could look at him and say “wow he would make Tebow look good” and that is talent.
Honestly you watch Hack play and thing “Wow he makes Tebow look good” and THAT is talent.
I dispute the notion that just because it’s their job they are good at it, or even qualified for it. The rest of your point is well-taken, and I think overlooked by many, but that aspect I disagree with vehemently.
You’re not wrong but if someone (Like most coaches/GMs/Scouts) etc. Have been doing that job for 10+ years like most of them have, I’d say they know what they’re doing more often than not.
Then you have whoever goes to the browns and just immediately become idiots or are exposed for being idiots all along.
They may not be good at their job, but that’s just another reason Hackenberg will likely never be great because he’d need someone good at the job to help him get better.
Also I trust football coaches in the NFL to know their shit better than Joe Penn State fan. Even bad coaches will know more than the average college nutter.
As someone with a team in the Big 10, Penn State fans can be insufferable to deal with. Even after the Sandusky shenanigans (the amount of excusing Paterno’s behavior was staggering, so this doesn’t surprise me).
They were very loud about this QB while he was there, I’m not surprised that they think he should be some kind of legend in the NFL. I mean, even Florida fans gave up on that idea with Tebow after his first year in the NFL.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Tebow as a person. The dude is genuniely nice. But he’s a terrible QB. He’d be a fantastic RB if he wasn’t stubborn like a mule and demanded to only go QB.
Not every “Hero College QB” is going to turn out to be a legend. Often its the other way around. Brady sure as shit wasn’t a “Hero College QB” at Michigan, hell I don’t think half the actual good QB’s in the league were save for a few exceptions. And those exceptions were -really- flipping good (Peyton Manning is a good example of that) and their QB play either easily translated to the NFL or they were just that flipping smart.
A great example of a player finding the right situtation was Romo. Parcells made him man up
Also, Hack-a-Shaq would suck in the Arena League’s minor leagues (one of which had Greg Hardy, Robert Mecheum, and Geno Smith the Linebacker on the same team.
*cough* Sean Payton was the one who picked him and coached him up.
I think we are also underating the importance of talent or even defense when it comes to QB development. QBs who are part of good defensive teams get more chances than others would just because games are still being won. Obvious ones are Brady and Roethlisberger, but I can think an even better example. Mark Sanchez is someone who got more chances than they deserved because they had a stellar defense, which is more opportunity to develop than most ever get.
This is me with Alex Smith. I watched him play at Utah and was excited when he was drafted. I made the system excuse for him forever.
With him it’s at least KINDA true… as long as you are OK with a QB that will get you 10-6 and one playoff game loss every year.
I think what a lot of people forget is that the NFL isn’t like Madden where you can turn any random scrub QB into a gridiron god who could hit a dime 70 yards down field ever single pass. If he had the talent to play QB in the NFL, even as a back up, someone would of spotted it by now.
Am I nuts or do these guys always seem to end up on the Eagles at some point? Hack, Tebow, Barkley, Bradford, etc. Every single one of these “he’d be good if he just found the right situation” QBs has played for them at some point.
And it’s not like there’s a common thread. Roseman has been in and out of the front office. They’ve gone through three different head coaches in the last six seasons. But they keep picking these guys up, despite having settled QB depth charts.
Man, Penn State cultists bent over backwards to justify and defend an organization that covered up a serial child molester.
You give them an adequate college QB that doesn’t even have a criminal record and they will elevate him to godhood.